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da_zman20
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Microsoft and a new scam!

February 6, 2003 4:57:36 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
check this out guys... I saw this at NeoWin, Mirosoft and intel and other companies have a new way of doing things. their idea is that someone on the other end will basically monitor your computer... and you will have to use their software, and approved hardware, and they can basically shut down anything on your computer they want to it's friggen joke... the Activation of Windows and such is the first step.. just wait and see what is coming...

http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html
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da_zman20
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Reply #1 February 6, 2003 6:00:45 AM
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TechRepublic has been running an on going expo on the Pallidum(spelling) Protection schema which is part of what your speaking of.

Know what? The government will let em do it too as long as it pumps up the war on terrorism the new cash cow for this and future generations.

Though I have to admit, war on terrorism has a better chance than the war on drugs ever had. Too much money involved for everyone concerned for them to win thath one.

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Reply #2 February 6, 2003 6:22:19 AM
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Well, the only way to combat it is to never connect to internet.
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Reply #3 February 6, 2003 6:27:55 AM
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na, just quit buying into their crap, XP is as far as I go with Microsoft and I pick and choose my updates...

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Reply #4 February 6, 2003 6:29:09 AM
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besides, there is always my good ol 2000 servers and Pro I can revert back to.
LongHorn should be called LongArm cause they going to reach out and touch everybody !!!



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Reply #5 February 6, 2003 6:33:09 AM
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maybe OD will go Unix/AIX/Linux?

hehe... na, but, the one thing that blows me away with Microsoft products and such is that how many ways can you type a word doc, or excel sheet?

each verison pushes you into more and more hardware resources to do the same dang thing...

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Reply #6 February 6, 2003 7:48:43 AM
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I guess we had better save our old software and machines and not download any MS updates.

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Reply #7 February 6, 2003 9:59:15 AM
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why do ppl post this like its some new news item? This has been around for ages as far as the proposal goes. I don't like it but seems every few weeks I come across a post somewhere that makes it sound like some new dark secret they have been hiding has just come to light hehe
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Reply #8 February 6, 2003 10:17:35 AM
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sorry if sounded grumpy but a roomy had just gotten all stressed over this very thing yesterday so was fresh in my mind was all.
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Reply #9 February 6, 2003 10:22:13 AM
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I just have to say this is just bull shit.. You know the internet will unite and try to prevent this. It would be total chaos.

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Reply #10 February 6, 2003 11:12:59 AM
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Like it or not, for good (there /are/ some good things about, it, somewhere.. somehow,) and ill - DRM is the way of the future.

Despite what the article says, and even with this Fritz chip thingy, it will also be broken - and while no, I don't advocate that sort of thing - I /do/ have to admit, that it would be an interesting one to watch as it is. What's the future? mod chips for PCs?

I don't know why, but stuff like this just doesn't get me worked up into a frenzy anyway.


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Reply #11 February 6, 2003 11:59:08 AM
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I think if this happens, more people will switch to Mac or Linux. Not sure it will be a good thing in the end for Microsoft.

At least, I know that I'll switch permanently to Linux before I install the next version of Windows if it includes this crap.
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Reply #12 February 6, 2003 12:27:53 PM
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That article sounds like a bunch of doom and gloom crap. It's going to be along time before anything close to what it talks about can be apllied worldwide. Even if I can happen alot sooner then I think someone will figure out work arounds like always. Then of course there is always Linux. Everyone will go open-source eventually and Billy Gates won't be able to give his OS away.
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Reply #13 February 6, 2003 12:31:58 PM
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The thing is.. is the casual computer user, the guy who knows nothing about PCs and brings one home for that 'internet' thing going to even care? Or know?

Probably not. To both.

Will most large corporations care? Probably not - and it won't be a surprise if their enterprise editions still won't require any form of activation or anything.

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Reply #14 February 6, 2003 2:14:07 PM
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As far as it goes, as I stated before, XP is it for me. Thats a personal choice and I laid out some of my reasoning behind it before also.

As far as Microsoft and Intel or anyone else playing goofy, there is always MAC, Linux, XP and down and AMD among others. No one will ever have total control of the PC market as long as there is dissent, someone will feed their product line into it.

The only thing "Trend" if you like, that bothers me seriously, is the Data Switching center the government is wanting to get online. WHich will run all internet traffic through it and give them the ability to tap systems, email, personal/private, corporate traffic as they like. I understand there is a need for security on the net, but, that is a bit much.


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Reply #15 February 6, 2003 3:29:47 PM
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The thing is the Goverment might make it manditory for all OSs actually. Which means MACs and all of those will have to switch also.

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Reply #16 February 6, 2003 3:38:13 PM
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If the gov does make it mandatory, all the more reason to go to Linux. With Linux you get the source too.
So strip that junk out, recompile on your own machine, and move on.
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Reply #17 February 6, 2003 3:45:24 PM
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The government will probably make open source software illegal.
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Reply #18 February 6, 2003 4:02:16 PM
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Well one of the heads of Microsoft at a conference did happen to say OpenSource is un-American and also the worst threat for worm, virus and trojan proliferation... AS IF !!!

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Reply #19 February 6, 2003 4:03:31 PM
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If they did make it mandatory, I don't see why Linux would be an exception to the rule. As Paxx said, it might give them justification to ban the OS, since those who use it will fail to follow the law if they remove mandatory components.

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Reply #20 February 6, 2003 5:03:43 PM
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Palladium shouldn't be the issue, palladium is purely software and will/is easy to workaround. TCPA should be what everyone gets up in arms abour. TCPA is the hardware side of what people think of as Palladium, except TCPA was made by intel.

What TCPA proposes is that only TCPA certified software be used. And no open-source since you have to get it certified as secure and part of that is they want it to be closed source. If you publish any software that isn't TCPA certified they want to fine you $500, same if you build a machine that isn't TCPA certified. In essence TCPA is the old clipper chip idea on some major steroids. So is palladium bad? Yes, but in some ways you can justify it with the services in longhorn. Is TCPA bad? Entirely, and their is NO justification for it.

*wonders why it keeps re-underlining what he types*
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Reply #21 February 6, 2003 5:29:51 PM
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remember though palladium has a backing of chips on the mother board.. they could make it impossible to run linux... by not allowing it to find certain things on your computer, and restrict you from website for not having that software, all of this is done by default and is basically punishment for not having windows... and you won't be ablt to use yourcredit card online... and if you do buy windows, and an intel processor their will someone monitoring everything on your computer... your personal data.I don't know what they are thinking but that's not safe... can I really trust the person on the other end??? How do I know hes not gonna make my Mozilla browser run like crap because it's not IE... and how do I know he's not gonna make my real player not work because it's not media player... this isn't about a safer computer... in fact it will make it less safe and make it easier to attack... it's about dominance.. how much would it cost to have your software TCPA approved... and Nvidia.. notice how thier drivers aren't digitally sighned.. .but they work... well they won't... don't buy an Nvidia graphics card if you are going to windows... plus microsoft will then require you pay $100 every year no matter what for windows... and you won't have a choice... they can shut your computer down if you don't... it's not fun to think about it destorys the computer industry and makes it so that the little man gets destroyed and big companies stay on top... and they even mentioned in that aticle a linux that will be TCPA approved once you edit the source you lose the TCPA approval. The open source market which is basically all software made by people for free in thier free time, because they can't pay to make the software approved... I just don't the way things are going...

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Reply #22 February 6, 2003 5:37:37 PM
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It's perhaps relevant to consider that any 'decisions' about what does or doesn't happen is not confined to the US....many people are outside the jurisdiction of US Govt proposals.
It 'may' be appropriate for the US to 'spy' on its people....it can even make rules to allow it to happen, but on outsiders that is International Espionage, and though fun for 007, is not exactly 'condoned'.

Speculation on what is 'going to happen' in the future is exactly that....'speculation', often driven by ulterior motives...
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Reply #23 February 6, 2003 6:42:09 PM
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I suppose you have a point jafo... I just don't want some guy I don't know knowing what i have on my computer it's none of his business... and if the government wants to know what's on my computer all they need is a search warrant. Why take it any further than that? There is nothing bad on my computer sure... but there are personal things for my eyes only... and like I said the government can see what is my computer at any time right now... all they need a warrant...

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Reply #24 February 6, 2003 7:04:04 PM
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If Palladium will allow remote sources to 'spy' on what you do, isn't that itself breaking the law? The last time I checked, invasion of privacy was a crime. I don't understand how companies can do that. And the comment about making open-source software illegal??? It sounds like Palladium has everyone shook. I seriously doubt Palladium or TCPA can allow access to your hard drive. It can only stop/allow what you download. Also, Palladium is a 2-way setup. You need both Palladium-enabled software and Palladium-enabled hardware for it to work. So just don't buy a Palladium-enabled hard drive. ;]
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Reply #25 February 6, 2003 7:46:48 PM
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Seems that you will be safe if you have an old PC but you will never beable to hook up to the internet. We had better fight it now before it gets into the main chip or the laws get passed to use it. Once it is in it will be hell to get it over turned. >

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