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CerebroJD
MySecret
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Reply #26 April 3, 2007 6:46:55 PM
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Thanks Jeff. You're right, one should not need a code, yet entering in the "City, country" format provides no results either, so I thought a code like Weather.com used to provide would work. But I, and others have tried to work out a location's code from the site but have had no success.
MikeM seems to be having the same problem.


I have the latest update v1.58a[b].009 and I am unable to get any results. I went to accuweather and each place that I picked does show up on their site. I also tried changing units as well.

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Reply #27 April 3, 2007 6:55:50 PM
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Here's the problem Im having,even tho im directly moused over an icon it's text is not displaying.It dosent do this at first and only does it if I go back and fourth on the dock.
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Reply #28 April 3, 2007 7:09:38 PM
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Ditto MySecrets weather problem.  Tries "77339", "Houston, TX" and "Houston Texas".
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thomassen
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Reply #29 April 3, 2007 7:39:47 PM
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My games tab is the best example of the tiny looking icons. By the looks of it it's all icons that doesn't got a size over 32x32.

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thomassen
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Reply #30 April 3, 2007 7:47:26 PM
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Or at least all icons which doesn't support the size of the dock.
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Reply #31 April 3, 2007 7:58:14 PM
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I just downloaded the 1.6 beta-the recycle bin issue is fixed-now why do the entry mouseover labels appear under or partially obscurred by tabbed dock itself?
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Reply #32 April 3, 2007 8:28:08 PM
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** Always on Top Issue **

I tried unloading WindowBlinds and rerunning the IE7 tests, and I'm getting the almost the same results. But without running WindowBlinds the results are now not %100 consistent.

Without running WindowBlinds:
If I use F11 to go back and forth from Full Screen in IE7, (I paused about 10 seconds between switches just in case it was some type of timing thing) sometimes the docks behave correctly and sometimes the don't. Maybe 50% of the time it worked correctly. Very strange....

Out of the types of docks that I have, the zoomer dock with just the running tasks seemed to stay on top in full screen more than the others. It might not be relevant, but something that I noticed. (Now they are not all acting the same i.e. all of the docks on top or all of them on the bottom)


Just another data point.....
With another application, FastStone Image Viewer 3.0 (http://www.faststone.org) the docks are always on top when viewing images in full screen or slideshow mode. The docks "Always on Top" worked correctly in the previous versions. So the new methods are now keeping the docks always on top even in full screen mode.

Thanks for hanging in there on this issue, I know it must be a pain to track down....   



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CerebroJD
Nimbin
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Reply #33 April 3, 2007 9:23:16 PM
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i havent experienced any problems what so ever with the new objectdock 1.6
everything is working as it should, i have tested dragging icons on and off the docks, all fine, looks like i got lucky

system

AMD 64 3000+ 2ghz
1.5Gb RAM
ATi 9600 pro 256mb video card
WINXP service pack 2

love the new version, hope everyone gets the bugs worked out soon, but none in mine
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Cavan1
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Reply #34 April 3, 2007 10:28:33 PM
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Hey Jeff; just tried the refresh, nice job fixing the attention effects.

New issue; I have My Documents, Videos, Pictures and Music on my zoomer dock, set to default icons so IconPackager icons will be applied. In 1.6 beta the default folder icon from the IP package I am using is being applied to all instead of the specific icon for each.
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Reply #35 April 3, 2007 10:35:51 PM
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For those with weather docklet code issues, I had a problem with this at first. For most weather docklets/widgets I would use Peterborough,Canada; for this I did a search at accuweather and found that it was city/province not city/country for Canada, so it was Peterborough,ON. Even spelling out Ontario did not work, it had to be the short form.
Hope this helps someone.
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Reply #36 April 3, 2007 10:37:31 PM
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I have the same issue as MySecret, no system tray icons. I just can't get them to show. On XP SP2 as well.
Even though I rarely need the tray, I still need it accessible.
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Chris TH
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Reply #37 April 3, 2007 10:54:48 PM
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I have the same issue as MySecret, no system tray icons. I just can't get them to show. On XP SP2 as well.
Even though I rarely need the tray, I still need it accessible.


Ditto for me. XP SP2.

When I updated initially it was working fine, then I read in the history about it using a new trayserver exe & so I fiddled with the MCP settings in SDC which seems to have broken it.

Right now I have both "Enable MCP notification area support" and "Enable MCP SmartStartup" checked and rebooted but te tray doesn't show. I have also tried with both unchecked and no result. What should the settings be for MCP in SDC to use the new OD+ ?

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Reply #38 April 3, 2007 11:35:45 PM
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I'd recommend disabling MCP if you don't need it for ObjectBar (which will be updated also to use this new module) - the new OD+ doesn't use it.
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Reply #39 April 4, 2007 2:30:06 AM
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thomassen: alright, i got the inspiration to do it fixed for the next refresh that we have which should be sometime probably start of/early next week. added lightweight code to detect if an icon has been crappified by explorer and if so it loads the regular size version. no more mini-icons


Cavan1: good callout. Special folders should always get their special icons, not live icons. Found a way to detect that, so that too will be fixed for the next refresh. Thanks much for the tip, I wouldn't have noticed that one


By the way! If anyone is getting any crashing at any point e.g. I've heard a couple people say they had a problem on dragging something off...please please forward over the saved bug log to stardock support with "v1.6" somewhere in the subject!! Thanks! (If you forgot to save it, there's a chance it could be hanging out in your ObjectDock install folder if you know where to find it. Vista may stop it due to the whole UAC bit, but otherwise it was designed to keep the last few saved automatically)



A note about Always On Top problems while I'm at it...I definitely do see it with IE7 going fullscreen with WindowBlinds enabled...probably because its not actually filling the screen. WB bug I suppose. But at any rate, Explorer doesn't seem to hide either. So perhaps I'm doing the technically "correct" thing there. Bleh.


-Jeff
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Reply #40 April 4, 2007 2:44:57 AM
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I'm also having the same problems with the Weather Docklet. And when I added a separator and tried to switch an icon on the other side of the separator the icon disappeared. It however reappeared after I restarted my computer. I tried putting in my zip code, city name (even tried all the major cities and zip code in Ca that I can think of) and I still get a location not found. I have OD plus unblocked from my firewall.
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Reply #41 April 4, 2007 2:49:28 AM
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By the way, regarding Weather retrieval...that's definitely something that has the most kinks in it. Not in ObjectDock itself but in our new feed from AccuWeather which we've set up, its still pretty new. Its not quite forgiving, and sometimes looks for specific things. E.g. state names can't be spelled out currently, places in Canada need the providence appreviation not country name, some sites are just plain missing from the feed data, etc, particularly overseas. Also sometimes we've had server problems so reliably isn't always 100%. We're getting closer though. So yeah, our NetDev crew is working on it, we're definitely using this new system for more than just ObjectDock.


Additionally, there is a check to make sure that the files are valid for security/protection reasons. In the current version if those checks fail the whole process just ends up failing and it just comes back with "Location not found", since it didn't get any usable data. But, I am able to detect if it failed for security/protection-violation reasons...and I wonder if that's happened to anyone. Any tiny change/download-error/install-error in any involved executable file could render the file digital signature invalid and thus cause a problem there. At any rate, the build for the next refresh notifies the user of this if this happens ("Might be an install problem, please try reinstalling"/etc) instead of just saying "Location not found".


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Reply #42 April 4, 2007 2:51:04 AM
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I use tabbed docks 99% of the time and there are no problems so far. Love the weather!
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thomassen
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Reply #43 April 4, 2007 8:07:07 AM
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thomassen: alright, i got the inspiration to do it fixed for the next refresh that we have which should be sometime probably start of/early next week. added lightweight code to detect if an icon has been crappified by explorer and if so it loads the regular size version. no more mini-icons

Love you man!

I'm trying to get weather info for London. But I can't get any results.
I'm wondering if it's because I'm not giving the correct country. Is it:
London, England
London, United Kingdom
London, Great Britan
London, UK
London, GB

Too many damn options to refer to this country.... and I can't get any of them to work...
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thomassen
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Reply #44 April 4, 2007 8:08:13 AM
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hm... "London, United Kingdom" worked now. Didn't yesterday...
go figure....
United Kingdom it is then!
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thomassen
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Reply #45 April 4, 2007 8:12:32 AM
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Just had a though: It'd be nice to be able to click the flyouts from the weather docklet which would bring you to a webpage with more details for that selected day.
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MySecret
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Reply #46 April 4, 2007 8:57:34 AM
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Just disabled both MCP settings, neither worked in showing system tray icons, then restarted both Od+ & stardock cnetral, nothing, then rebooted, still nothing.

hmmm just tried
hm... "London, United Kingdom" worked now. Didn't yesterday...
go figure....
United Kingdom it is then!


Location not found, should I at least be able to the weather from another country?

I am not using a firewall with windows, I am however using a firewall based router and wonder if that will affect it.

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Reply #47 April 4, 2007 10:05:05 AM
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I'm using Windows Firewall and there's a Router Firewall...
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Reply #48 April 4, 2007 10:30:08 AM
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I'm using Windows Firewall and there's a Router Firewall...


Ok, thanks tomasseen., at least that is eliminated.

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Reply #49 April 4, 2007 11:49:15 AM
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MySecret: yeah I should be adding more user-notification on the Tray side of it too. The tray module also checks file integrity before it can operate. Currently, failing silently if those checks fail. So if a file has a single byte messed up by the download, it won't work. Since I've definitely heard of people having install problems before, this could be the case. Leading me to think so based on that both of these modules appear to be silently not working. In the next refresh I'll have them report that they won't work rather than silently won't work....but in the mean time I'd recommend uninstalling OD (you can leave your files of course)...or just crawling in and deleting "ObjectDock.exe, StardockWeather.ocx, StardockTray.dll, and DockShellHook.dll" from the OD folder...rebooting...and then reinstalling OD+ from SDC. Hopefully with better results


thomassen: Yeah, I kindof wish too a little that the flyouts could be clickable. However, there wasn't quite two ways about it the way I was seeing it. For them to be able to fly out on mouseover, in order to be non-obtrusive they need to be able to retract immediatly when the cursor leaves them. Otherwise they'd be flying out on accident and sticking and just be irritating. THe mouse detection at that point would get really really tricky if I had to have it not retract for only "ok...if the cursor goes up and a little left/right outside the parent item's bounds...its ok..but..."/etc, and not to mention it'd look goofy as the zoom animation zoomed other icons that the mouse was over. The way normal flyouts get around this is that they of course lock the zooming of the dock, but yeah can't do that as much w/ this. Gets particularly bad when the flyout is on a left/right-side-of-the-screen-dock, since they're very spread out. The only possibility I do see is that maybe if you do click it could stick, but just not seeing enough purpose for the weather one to stick to sacrafice the usability.


For the fun of it though, I should note that in future versions - probably not for v1.6 but for future ones, I'm hoping to do more flyouts like this and have them be for the Plus version only. Won't give away my ideas at this point but I think it could be cool if infopanels for other types of things could flyout for information... and yeah they maybe could be single-pannels, so that way the user could go straight out to click on pieces of them without them retracting. I think I'm liking taking advantage of my flyout tech ; even if the future ones dont have as much purpose for the "fan-out" part of it the fade in/out is still really cool i think


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thomassen
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Reply #50 April 4, 2007 12:13:17 PM
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didn't know that came out on mouse over. I just had a look at the settings and that option is disabled to me. Maybe cause it's in a tabbed dock?

I think the click to stick option sounds good. Because then the user have made a deliberate action to activate it and perform further actions.

And more flyouts = good! I love the flyouts. Only thing is if the item that's the source of the flyout is at the corner of the screen and the flyouts go outside the monitor area. Like the Folder Flyout; you loose one of the browse arrows. Would it be possible to have the flyout detect this and make sure the left right browse arrows stays inside the monitor area?
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