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ScreenShots

April 6, 2006 1:33:22 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

Seems people think I don't like ScreenShots.  Thats not true.  I've commented on a bunch and have featured some.  Just excapes me how people have all that time to upload a couple a day.  Seems to me if they change their desktop that often, they must not have liked what was there.  If thats the case why upload it?  But nothing I or anyone else can say will change anyones mind on this subject.

I do have 1 request that seems fair.  When you upload a screenshot, how about giving the names of the skins/walls used so people can download them if they like some of the skins that was used.  I see every screenshot thats uploaded and at times I like some of what I see and would like to download it but can't as the discription is blank.  If your going to showcase someone elses work at least give them props.

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Reply #1 April 6, 2006 2:27:18 PM
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I like some of what I see and would like to download it but can't as the discription is blank. If your going to showcase someone elses work at least give them props

Yes Yes Yes

Not knowing who made what or where to find it when I see something I like in a SS just drives me nutz!
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Reply #2 April 6, 2006 2:41:21 PM
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Reply #3 April 6, 2006 2:46:12 PM
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Yes I wish it would say more than just "Thanks to all artists"

Although, I am guilty of that.
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Reply #4 April 6, 2006 2:55:37 PM
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I agree with you 100% WOM...but we have to remember that some people don't have photoshop or skinning skills and they want to be part of the community. Uploading screenshots is a good way to be more than a downloader.
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Reply #5 April 6, 2006 7:23:47 PM
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Seems to me if they change their desktop that often, they must not have liked what was there.


in my case, when i finish a new cursor or wallpaper i try it, then i realize that my setup doesn't fit with that new skin, so i change all my setup.., if the new style is good enough, i submit into the screen shots section.
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Reply #6 April 6, 2006 10:11:41 PM
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When you upload a screenshot, how about giving the names of the skins/walls used so people can download them if they like some of the skins that was used.




yes
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Reply #7 April 6, 2006 11:41:11 PM
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I have always provided the name, the Artist and a link to anything I put in a screen shot- right down to the cursor even if its an old one. It takes extra time to gather the links of all the stuff used. The new trend in screen shots is " See the To Do List " for the skins used. I refuse to be forced to download a screen shot to get a close up view of the " To Do " list. To me that is forcing people to download a shot....
I have been blunt to people about the lack of info but..it wont matter because there are no guidelines. People will continue to upload 2 or 5 a day and unless they are told otherwise..it will never change...
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Reply #8 April 7, 2006 5:25:02 AM
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Giving credit to the artists involved should be the main purpose of the shot, if it were not for their creations you would not have that desktop to show off...

Sure, you could argue that you are showing your talent for "arranging" the items that you have collected...but those items were struggled over for days, perhaps weeks by a skinner/artist that provided it (in most cases) free of any charge except for your enjoyment... Giving that artist mention I do not think is asking alot...

I kind of felt a little odd at first about a recent incident involving a screenshot and one of the Logons that I created..the screenshot was pulled due to the lack of proper credit being given...all I did was track down the artist through google and ask permission to use his wall for the logon, as soon as he found out where I had seen the wall he made some waves about it and had the screenshot pulled...
I cant blame him for it,although it may have been a little drastic, it is after all his creation and the only thing he wanted was his name mentioned...

Ah well, thats just one "other" reason perhaps to be sure and credit the authors... the SS's can and will be pulled without question at the orignal artists request...
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Reply #9 April 7, 2006 6:19:20 AM
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yes ur right about giving description so others can download it. I'm one of those people who's guilty of charge. Still WC is one the best community in the net. So next time I upload my SS I'll do my best NOT to forget and get LAZY to give description of what I used not just THANKS TO ALL ARTIST.
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Reply #10 April 7, 2006 6:40:10 AM
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If it were up to me, I'd remove the screenshot section. I'd tell all those arrangers (not exactly artists) that they can upload their creations as suites.

1) it would take a little more work and would slow down some of the heavy submitters

2) it would allow folks that liked their arrangements to easily recreate them.

3) it would by design give credit to the artists that made the skins

But my opinion and $2.69 will get you a gallon of gas.

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Reply #11 April 7, 2006 7:26:56 AM
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Reply #12 April 7, 2006 7:27:53 AM
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One more thing...please stop resizing your screenshots! Submit them as full screenshots. Nothing worse than clicking and a screenshot...in any library...and getting a thumbnail you can hardly see. And in some cases smaller than the preview!
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Reply #13 April 7, 2006 7:40:37 AM
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Sir Zubaz "If it were up to me, I'd remove the screenshot section. I'd tell all those arrangers (not exactly artists) that they can upload their creations as suites."

Most people customize the original applications, wb walls etc, so they would not be allowed to upload as a suite unless they had permission from each and every author/artist and thats not gonna happen.

Screenshots have their place its just a pity a few go overboard with the number they submit. Surely the time has come for a rule limiting the number submitted per person per day.
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Reply #14 April 7, 2006 8:12:30 AM
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Most people customize the original applications, wb walls etc, so they would not be allowed to upload as a suite unless they had permission from each and every author/artist and thats not gonna happen.


I need to spend more time looking at the sceenshots I guess because I don't notice that much customization.  (I do notice color shifts sometimes, but that's not realy customizing).
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Reply #15 April 7, 2006 6:45:17 PM
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Screenshots will only be 'pulled' if and when their wallpaper is not appropriately/sufficiently obscured which can create a copyright/distribution 'issue'.

Wincustomize.com is probably the ONLY site on the net that has this limitation/restriction with screenshot submissions.

The only OTHER time a screenie might be pulled is if it's simply porn or similar [...eg racially vilifying in content] or if a skinner or wall artist has had a specific reaison for a work NOT to be shown...eg...an inadvertent 'exposure' of a restricted artwork subject to commercial limitation.....[you show a friend a WIP for commercial/private release and he inadvertently makes it 'public' prematurely].

Otherwise, screenies are NOT restricted, though it's difficult to understand the motivation of the odd one or two to want to submit so many so often....

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Reply #16 April 7, 2006 9:58:27 PM
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Most of my screens have modified skins and or ports I have made but havent recieved permission to upload them..I like to show off my modifications and or ports, and maybe even give others an idea of combinations they hadn't thought of before ..... normally I post links to the unmodified skins if they are available... I too tho have been lazy of late and posted a few "thanks to the artists" I will rectify this when I have time

excellent post WOM thanks for the reminder that "links/names" provide others with easy means to find the skins used as well as giving the Authors the credit they deserve
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Reply #17 April 9, 2006 11:52:06 AM
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Screenshots will only be 'pulled' if and when their wallpaper is not appropriately/sufficiently obscured which can create a copyright/distribution 'issue'.



Question: Is it ok to have a wallpaper unobscured if it's something that is freely available (being distributed) as a wallpaper with a link in the description on where to get the full wall? I tend to use a lot of commercial art work for walls and many of them are downloads that are offered by the company as wallpaper images from their websites.
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Reply #18 April 9, 2006 1:09:34 PM
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Tha answer to that is no. By displaying a wall unobscured you are effectively making it available for download. That makes it impossible for the original author to control the distribution of that wallpaper. The only wallpaper you can display fully is one you made yourself.
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Reply #19 April 9, 2006 2:16:51 PM
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--WOM-- When you upload a screenshot, how about giving the names of the skins/walls used so people can download them if they like some of the skins that was used. ... If your going to showcase someone elses work at least give them props.


--Fairyy~-- It takes extra time to gather the links of all the stuff used.


I agree WOM and Fairyy~ just naming the artist and skin would be enough most times (except off site things I would guess). That shouldn't be too much to ask or do (as most times the name of the item used should be readly available, unless you renamed it).

--Fairyy~-- The new trend in screen shots is " See the To Do List " for the skins used.


This is just a shame and I think in some way just a way to "get it done" and raising the "downloads" of it.

Come to think of it... why is there even a "download" count/number for these things?
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Reply #20 April 10, 2006 11:26:25 AM
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Come to think of it... why is there even a "download" count/number for these things?


No answer to this huh, lol.... oh well
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Reply #21 April 10, 2006 2:02:40 PM
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Tha answer to that is no. By displaying a wall unobscured you are effectively making it available for download.


It isnt real difficult to "lift" images off of walls suchs as "Sys's" "Rainy's" "Start Menus" etc''etc with todays graffix programs, or simply "remove" them..

I guess my question is...does it really matter that much how "obscured" it is?

If someone with the experience and the programs wants a wall...no matter how "covered up it is..they can get it...
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Reply #22 April 10, 2006 2:19:01 PM
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If someone with the experience and the programs wants a wall...no matter how "covered up it is..they can get it...


If a person wants to hotwire a car and drive off, that's thier business.

Just because they can is not justification to hand out "master" keys encouraging that behavior.

Let the screenshot poster add a link to the wall . . . problem solved.
The artists should be able to control distribution of their product.
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Reply #23 April 10, 2006 7:02:30 PM
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Let the screenshot poster add a link to the wall . . . problem solved.

The link to the author does NOT give the owner of the wall control over the screenshot or its subsequent distribution via extraction from that screenshot.

It is thus a copyright issue.  Fair Use would demand that it were 'reasonably' obscured to make extraction 'difficult' in EXACTLY the same way that an icon or WB skin extraction would be 'difficult'.

The issue with walls is that quite often in screenshots they are almost entirely unobscured [uploader calls it 'clean'....we call it unacceptably easy to extract].

Some are nothing more than a simple cropping of a taskbar and resize to suit normal screen res....a 10 second task....

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Reply #24 April 10, 2006 10:07:25 PM
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The link to the author does NOT give the owner of the wall control over the screenshot or its subsequent distribution via extraction from that screenshot.


I did not mean to imply that linking to the wall removed the requierment to obscure the wall. Only that the screen shot compositor could avoid the near occasion of sin and tempation to extract the wall by just linking to the original. No control given or lost.

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Reply #25 April 24, 2006 7:32:42 AM
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Was  ya talking about this one, Po.
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