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Lord Pinko Social Experiment

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November 11, 2006 3:28:09 PM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
So I received an email from Lord Pinko about how he was disappointed in how I stabbed him in the back by taking Marcathonas' side once he *left* the forums.

I responded to his email saying that everything I had said was true, and that I *had* tried to help him, but he had made no effort to help me help him by moderating his posts that were only intended to offend, and other blah, blah of this nature.

So I get the following return response.

Pinko was a character I created.
I am a GCSE drama student and lord pinko was an experiment on how people
react to someone with his beliefs and creeds.
There are several versions of him scattered over the Internet and it has
been quite interesting getting to know him.


The email continues with how the perpetrator of this "experiment" was indeed offended by my post that stabbed him in the back.

Well, Boo Bloody Hoo! as Marcathonas would say.

Of course, this should really surprise no one in the anonymous world of the Internet. However, for someone to come onto *our* site, do nothing but cause grief under false pretenses for the sole purpose of conducting a social experiment, and then become offended once the one person that tried to help him basically gave up in disgust, is just laughable.

The solace that anyone annoyed by this pissant of a cretin can take is that as a drama student he has essentially no financial future whatsoever. Have fun waiting tables for the rest of your life "Lord Pinko". And by the way, I do want fries with that.
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Reply #1 November 11, 2006 3:40:43 PM
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What a sad little man he must be. The worst part is him running off longstanding members of this community just for his "experiment". Hopefully he's through stirring up trouble.

I know you always try to see the good in people Mumblefratz and I envy you for that, as examples like Lord Pinko really make it difficult for me to be that optimistic.
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Reply #2 November 11, 2006 3:48:45 PM
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I wouldn't let a hundred characters like this change my outlook on life. If being fooled by someone like this is the price I pay for wanting to help the underdog, than so be it. Helping just one honest person in need of help makes it worthwhile.   
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Reply #3 November 11, 2006 3:52:09 PM
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Wow.

Not sure I can say much that the posts above haven't already said, but I'll just reiterate it. What a reprehensible twit. Apparently he sees his fellow human beings as nothing more than lab rats, to prod and poke for his own amusement.

Congratulations on damaging a community, driving off some of its regulars, and possibly driving wedges between some of the remaining members, all for your personal entertainment.
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Reply #4 November 11, 2006 4:12:08 PM
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Hi, I thought I should input some on this. I think he is lying to you Mumblefratz, because he tried to join my empire and and at least seemed to have the game. We tried to help him, but he seemed to never be able to figure out how to join. He is probably just tring to get one final stab at you.

Here are some of the posts he made, and the help RexDaddy tried to give him.


(Citizen)Lordpinko
November 2, 2006 11:01:13
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I have tried to register my character and it said I needed to register my serial number. I tried but it said that it was incorrect. I DONT have the collectors edition so I have no idea what's wrong with it.

(Citizen)Lordpinko
November 2, 2006 15:01:12
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will someone help me !!!1

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Lord Pinko, the best place to get help is through Stardock's tech support. They will have more experience in dealing with character creation issues than the people posting in this section of the forum. The link below is a good place to start.
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Reply #5 November 11, 2006 4:19:30 PM
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Man, people do like to pile on around here...

First,
I feel -> corrected misspelling, hate have a bug in my apology to wheel of all folks! -< we must offer Wheel an apology as he apparrently was correct about the whole dislexic thing. Wheel, you have my apologies for thinking that you were dangerously treading on the insensitive side for accusing Lord Pinko of lieing. Of course I still do think your were dangerously treading on the insensitive side , but must credit that insensitivity may well have been insight.

Now for the pig pile. Mumble, you have this one blind spot that when people poke it becomes , 'Say Hello to My Leetle Friend Time'. And then everyone who views you as a voice of reason are ecstatic to find you declaring open season on someone.

There is nothing wrong with adopting personnas on the internet. There is something wrong in assuming you can trust everything you are told, internet or not. (best example being ... 'I have a plan')

He didn't chase members away, some members got themselves banned. Lets have a little personal responsibility for our own actions here. I'ld also point out that Lord Pinko's presence increased my participation not decreased it, and as you yourself have pointed out Mumble, although an instigator, he took a lot of abuse without returning in kind.


Now, I don't think you stabbed him in the back by defending the dearly departed. But I think you both feel as if you have been played for a chump by the other. It is not so, you have both just made some incorrect assumptions about each other, and such is life.

So can't we all just get along, sit in a circle holding hands, and sing Cumbaya now?
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Reply #6 November 11, 2006 4:29:22 PM
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I wouldn't let a hundred characters like this change my outlook on life. If being fooled by someone like this is the price I pay for wanting to help the underdog, than so be it. Helping just one honest person in need of help makes it worthwhile.


I'm really heartened to see Mumble "reduced" to actual namecalling and yet still inclined to say things like the above. I could bore, distract, and/or annoy many of you with my overcomplicated response to this story, but suffice to say that I've formally and informally studied this sort of thing since before most of "you kids" knew there was such a thing as the Internet, and, as a lapsed anarchist and socialist-minded member of the US Democratic Party, I really wish people would make Straightforward and Honest the default setting and be clear about when they were customizing. (I love fiction, I just like to trust when people say they're writing nonfiction.)
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Reply #7 November 11, 2006 4:35:38 PM
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I think he is lying to you Mumblefratz


This is a given--but AlexAtticus reminds me that I'd almost posted "in his defense" when I spotted some game-based chat in an old thread after having seen people ask Pinko why he was focused on "troublemaking."

I use the shudder quotes there b/c I honestly dislike some of the knee-jerk responses I saw to the purported membership in the British Communist Party and was influenced by the way Pinko used the BNP rhetorically. My past reading about them left me convinced they were hateful atavists best left to dwindle away on their own, but I'm now chagrined that I never bothered to root around for other sources on the beatings and burnings stories Pinko spread here.

I don't know if I'm getting it across well, but basically I am a pacifist who wants to beat the crap out of people who lie to me (and an obviously unrecovered postmodernist )
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Reply #8 November 11, 2006 4:37:02 PM
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I think he is lying to you Mumblefratz

There is no doubt that he's lying, but precisely what he's lying about may never be entirely clear. In the end it really doesn't matter.

The only reason I posted this was to remind folks what pretty much everyone on the net should already know, and that is that thing's aren't always as they seem. People can pretend to be pretty much anything they want, at least for a short time. It's even possible for someone to perpetrate a fiction such as this over quite some time, but why bother?

But while the above is true, at the same time it’s also true that peoples true character can and does show through, for better or worse. In reality the best character that most people play is themselves. Though “Lord Pinko” may have been playing a part it’s probable that Lord Pinko and the actor that portrayed him share many of the same character flaws.
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Reply #9 November 11, 2006 4:45:04 PM
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precisely what he's lying about may never be entirely clear.


This is "the root" of the matter, but
In the end it really
*does* matter to some of us. ShuShu is invoking part of what I tried to avoid out of concern for those who want all our posts to be "about the game." The nets present a basic question about what "honesty" means and how close to "real life" you should make your "persona."

BTW, I generally *hate* shudder quotes, but they are apt for terms that a writer feels are painfully fuzzy. ShuShu is quite right about Pinko having given other members an opportunity to misbehave--unless you seriously believe Pinko had power from simple writing and his language could make people do what they otherwise would not do.

Because I usually end up wanting to live in Make-Nice Lalaland, I just wish we could sign on some places and know it was Just Honest Folks and sign on others when we wanted to hit the Wild World Web.

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Reply #10 November 11, 2006 4:47:45 PM
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So can't we all just get along, sit in a circle holding hands, and sing Cumbaya now?


.....Ummmmmm

No.

  

hehe, sorry couldn't resist.   
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Reply #11 November 11, 2006 5:00:04 PM
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couldn't resist.


Oi, why don't you go on poking sticks in the eyes of the poor idealists!

Seriously, the reason I'm a "lapsed" anarchist is that I was convinced our species is not ready universally value cooperation over competition. Put more simply, until something I don't understand changes, we'll always have groups who organize to use violence as a tool, so I'm willing to submit to "government" in hopes that I can shelter with the strongest, best-behaved gang of thugs.
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Reply #12 November 11, 2006 5:02:57 PM
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Hey Quixen, I lobbed that softball up for Mumble to hit.

He chose to hit the other point, I didn't feel I could make quite as succintly. Which was to say that although Lord Pinko was a 'personna' -probably-, that personna still reflected the actual posters mindset. (Instigator)

Swicord,
It is a nice to believe in honesty, it just never exist. I'll resist the metaphysical bent on this and stick with my original answer.

I believe George Bush HONESTLY thought he 'Had a Plan'. As a listener though, you can't just question the veracity of the sender, you must always question the veractiy of the information being sent. The latter can NEVER come without effort.

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Reply #13 November 11, 2006 5:10:14 PM
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Swicord, Quixen...

Just for the record, Mumble and I got to 'know' each other when I accused him of posting a 'Can't we all just get along soliloqy' in the Amecrica Freedom of Facsism thread.

It's a very long thread, you could easily have missed it. But I am going to print and frame that post referring to me as an idealist, thankyou. In fact Swicord, my original point in that thread essentially said we are hard wired for...

our species is not ready universally value cooperation over competition


I just consider it more a strength than a weakness. I also consider competition [/B]within boundaries is [B]cooperation, and that war can still be WITHIN boundaries. (think MAD)
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Reply #14 November 11, 2006 5:10:40 PM
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But I think you both feel as if you have been played for a chump by the other.

Actually, I don't really feel like a chump. I tried to get folks off of criticizing his spelling because of the dyslexia claim. I don't think that's being a chump even if it did turn out that he was otherwise lying. In fact, in his email, the actor that portrayed Lordpinko claimed the dyslexia is real. Whatev.

Mumble, you have this one blind spot that when people poke it becomes , 'Say Hello to My Leetle Friend Time'.

Maybe in your case this was true, uncle, but it wasn't the case here. He fooled me and that's no big deal and it didn't upset me. Part of the reason I brought this up was to say that the next time you, or I, or anyone gets upset at something someone says, think of this and decide if it's really worth getting upset about what could be a made up fiction.

Plus, the McDonalds thing wasn't that brutal, was it?   

So can't we all just get along, sit in a circle holding hands, and sing Cumbaya now?

OK, But you're going to have to teach me the words. Plus don't let our good friend Wheel (and I mean that honestly), catch you spelling Kumbaya like that.   
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Reply #15 November 11, 2006 5:33:28 PM
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I generally *hate* shudder quotes,

I always did wonder what the usage of the asterisk in lieu of quotes meant. I've used it myself without really knowing. It seems to convey a bit more emphasis on the word instead of indicating it’s being used in a non-standard meaning.

ShuShu and I do go back a bit and do (at least now) understand each other. ShuShu is an instigator that doesn’t have even the slightest touch of malice. He also is very difficult to offend (I know, I tried). But he does seem to favor highbrow political discussions that generally don’t interest me that much.

I’m not sure *which* post I’m responding to because by the time I made my last post 5 or 6 had scrolled by.

I hope I haven’t inadvertently started yet another of those dreaded political threads. If so, Kryo, I’m sorry. With that I’ll bid you all adiu. Please turn the lights off when you’re finished.
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Reply #16 November 11, 2006 5:49:36 PM
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OK, one more then I really do have to get back to my game.

How long are you going to keep Marcathonas as a visitor? I miss his acid wit.   
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Reply #17 November 11, 2006 5:59:48 PM
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referring to me as an idealist


ShuShu, I was talking about myself. Despite having a penis of my own, I really do try to avoid speaking for others

asterisk in lieu of quotes


Mumble, that's another bit of me being both old-school in big picture terms and a realtive newb to web-based forums. Back in the old FIDONET days, we had no formatting options, so *empahsis* was a matter of what you could do with Courier characters. I'm glad you got my intent.

More importantly, I suspect you, ShuShu, and I all have significant areas of agreement among our notions of the human condition. You do yourself a disservice by claiming disinterest in "highbrow political discussions." Fancy vocabulary aside (I wish I could put it further aside, but I have these tendencies), it's the thinking that counts, and you are clearly a thinker.

p.s. Second the call for relenting on Marcathonas. I detest combative language for its own sake, but that impulse is in direct conflict with my interest in provactive discussion.
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Reply #18 November 11, 2006 6:09:51 PM
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Swicard beat me to it...

I was going to state...


Mumblefratz is the grand statesman of the metaverse. He is a moderator who enjoys delving into discussions concerning what it is to be human more than he likes to let on.
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Reply #19 November 11, 2006 6:21:58 PM
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Swicard


Most statisyfing misspelling of my pater-name that I've seen in ages--I'd like to grow up to be the card to play in a tough round
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Reply #20 November 11, 2006 6:40:25 PM
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oops, sorry, I'm uh, err... dyslexic? ...runs and hides...
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Reply #21 November 11, 2006 7:06:04 PM
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Just for the record, Mumble and I got to 'know' each other when I accused him of posting a 'Can't we all just get along soliloqy' in the Amecrica Freedom of Facsism thread.


Of course. I played a small role in that one as well. I was going to comment a little bit further on this thread in my last post but thought better of it. Now I am just going to say what I have to say

I am wondering if there is a bug going around. I mean, here you have Evil and Wheel making posts that seem to be out of character for them, meaning towards the good side. Now you have Mumble slamming, sort of, Lordpinko. Which I never thought would be in his character from all the previous posts that I have read in which he authored.

See where I am going here? I think we all have that ability within us to do both. Whenever we sit down to post on the forums, we have the angel and devil, sitting on either side of our noggin, poking the side of our head trying to get our attention. Depending on which voice we listen to, will determine the ultimate direction of our post.

Not a sermon, just a thought....

Sorry, couldn't resist that one either.

Oh, and I do apologize for hitting your softball Mumble.
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Reply #22 November 11, 2006 7:42:24 PM
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I mean, here you have Evil and Wheel making posts that seem to be out of character for them, meaning towards the good side. Now you have Mumble slamming, sort of, Lordpinko.

Both Evil and Wheel have redeeming qualities that they would just as soon prefer no one would notice or comment about. But sometimes they make mistakes and the underlying good shows through. In my case, perhaps it's the opposite.

But as far as slamming goes, I can't believe that such a slight admonishment as that would constitute "slamming". If I really wanted to slam someone it would be far more dramatic. That was merely the tip of the iceberg.

I think we all have that ability within us to do both.

You're definitely right here and this is a point ShuShu has made more than once. Anyone that doesn't believe this is merely deluding themselves. The one constant that makes someone bareable is the ability to laugh at themselves and admit when they are wrong. Without this, either excessively good or excessively bad becomes a pain.
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Reply #23 November 11, 2006 8:42:08 PM
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If I really wanted to slam someone it would be far more dramatic.


In honor of Evil S and the fiery Wheel, I must point out that ESL people would benefit from a comma after your introductory clause, and a then wouldn't hurt either

But I totally buy that we'll all *know for sure* if and when you mean to slam us!
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Reply #24 November 11, 2006 8:51:47 PM
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I can't believe that such a slight admonishment as that would constitute "slamming".


Hey now, I did put the words....

sort of


.....in there.    
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Reply #25 November 11, 2006 9:40:17 PM
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First off, being new, I don't know anything about Lord Pinko, so I perhaps have no room to comment on his forum behavior.

Second, as a former drama student myself (though it's been more years than I like to think), I have serious issues regarding his claim of an 'experiment' as referred to in Mumblefratz' original post. Certainly one of the ways an actor can learn is through observation of others. But observation of text written replies on a forum board provide little insight to an aspiring actor, who should instead seek to find the groundwork for his characters through visual observation of actual people, not by staring at words on a computer screen. I fail to see how any actor is going to learn anything about human behavior if he uses internet personas of others as his models on which to base his characterizations, as many of these personas are themselves fictitious. I can't imagine any drama instructor worth his greasepaint who would suggest his students undertake such an exercise.

Third, if this was a social experiment, he proved his inability to properly conduct the test because he allowed his personal feelings to interfere with the collection of the data, which calls into the question the validity of any conclusive results.

Fourth, the whole 'experiment' story sounds like a backpedaling load of bull to make himself sound important and intellectually superior to anyone else. The only thing his 'experiment' proved was he couldn't stay in character, so I hope he gets prepared for plenty of rejections when he starts going to auditions.

And lastly, for Lord Pinko, you could learn a lot more about creating a character by reading Stanislavsky instead of gaming forums.
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