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February 18, 2004 3:49:42 PM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums
Now, if you really think about it, you can't have 3D on a 2D screen. I noticed, Wincustomize is asking about 3D. There is no such thing on a 2D screen. I know everyone calls it 3D, but our kids are gonna grow up thinking 3D is flat. Oh well, just a thought. Peace. Hippie
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Reply #1 February 18, 2004 3:54:40 PM
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We need holographics gui's.

If you think about it, your eyes don't see 3D either. The image is projected as a flat image on tyour retina and only after the brain does its image processing magic, do you perceive it as 3D.

Even worse, I'd say that 3D can only exist in a 4D world, for you need time to be able to see a 3D object form different angles. You can't do that from an instant.

craeonics is in a philosophic mood
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Reply #2 February 18, 2004 4:07:45 PM
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Finally. Intelligence. There is life, thinking life, out there. Very good. Peace. Hippie
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Reply #3 February 18, 2004 4:12:23 PM
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Sooo, to continue and loop this back to where we took off. If we can somehow let the screen display things at different angels, depending on which angle we are looking at it, it's visually as 3D as the real thing.

We'd only need a device to determine what angle we are staring at the screen and software that will determine and draw the gui at the correct angle.

craeonics think he's been intelligent enough for today
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Reply #4 February 18, 2004 5:05:04 PM
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actually you can trick your mind because it makes objects appear 3d because you have two eyes. they both see slightly different things, and your mind merges them to form 1 semi-3d visualization of the world. The goggles for 3d simulators work on this factor, and so do the 3d pictures and glasses (red/blue and the such). I don't know how you could emulate this on a flat screen but supposed sharp has: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-978499.html

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Reply #5 February 18, 2004 5:10:08 PM
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craeonics - there is a screen being developed which does just that. Based on the same sort of technique as those flip cards with 3d looking pictures on (in?) which used to be given away with breakfast cereals. It may never turn into a real product though as holographic projection may well deliver soon enough to usurp it.

...and you can of course have stereoscopic glasses now (either the LCD alternating eye type, or with 2 displays built into them) - these can be linked to a VR set up which monitors head movement etc to create a 3d (4d as you noted) environment.

...the bit that's missing isn't the display devices - it's the OS which supports them Microsoft used to have a whole sub site dedicated to their work investigating adding a 3d metaphor to the desktop - last time I looked though it had been removed. It was looking dated though.
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Reply #6 February 18, 2004 5:11:23 PM
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Ohhh, ta kongit...I didn't realise Sharpe are that close to turning it into a commercial product
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Reply #7 February 18, 2004 5:12:23 PM
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look at the date on the article sput. have you seen a 3d monitor yet?
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Reply #8 February 18, 2004 5:22:38 PM
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if a person is blind all his life, and at a late age, his vision "returns" to him, he well see the world in 2d, his brain has not learned to cope with the 3rd dimension yet. this has proved to be true with some cases where peoples vision was restored to them electronically and naturally
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Reply #9 February 18, 2004 5:38:14 PM
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Take a look at this demo. Sun is working on a project called 'Looking Glass' that has some pretty good 3D effects with the desktop.

http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.html
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Reply #10 February 18, 2004 5:38:51 PM
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...and of course, people with only 1 eye don't see steroscopically. It can be said that they can still see "in 3d" however as depth perception is also clued by the depth of field of the eye and the lens adjustments needed to focus on something.

<= deliberate smiley

kongit - I didn't notice the date...I was fooled by the fact that I read about this technology being developed recently so I thought this was a new announcement...that'll teach me to check sources more carfully!
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Reply #11 February 18, 2004 5:54:34 PM
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..wow..

War, murder, rape, drugs, poverty and worrying about my children knowing what is 3 Dimensional and what is a 3D representation on a 2d monitor is ah issue?



Hell I just hope that 70% of the kids in school can spell 3 Dimensional let alone know what it is
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Reply #12 February 18, 2004 5:54:45 PM
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pictoratus - ta for the link. I'd not seen this from Sun before. It looks nice, but I think it's a little disengenuous of them to assert that "the dominant desktop supplier" doesn't want people to see it as I know that MS are working on similarly extending the desktop into 3d and have been for many years....admittedly, they've yet to deliver anything to the user, but I understand that Stardock are pretty excited by some of the things they've been privy to as MS partners
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Reply #13 February 18, 2004 5:55:31 PM
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IPLural - I'd be happy is 70% of them knew what 70% means
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Reply #14 February 18, 2004 5:58:11 PM
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depth, thats it, thats the 3 dimension, right?
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Reply #15 February 18, 2004 6:35:55 PM
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#14 - well, that's one "point of view" :groan:
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Reply #16 February 18, 2004 7:06:54 PM
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I knew the world was flat

If you think about it, your eyes don't see 3D either. The image is projected as a flat image on tyour retina and only after the brain does its image processing magic, do you perceive it as 3D.


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Reply #17 February 18, 2004 8:24:04 PM
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:roll:
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Reply #18 February 18, 2004 9:23:25 PM
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#12 by Skinner Sput - 2/18/2004 5:54:45 PM


Whoever comes out with this type of desktop manipulation, be it Sun, Microsoft, (personally I'd like to see Stardock beat them to the punch), it will be a leap forward.
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Reply #19 February 18, 2004 9:30:37 PM
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it will be a leap forward.


as opposed to left/right or up/down?
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Reply #20 February 18, 2004 9:54:15 PM
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as opposed to left/right or up/down?


or upside down/inside out
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Reply #21 February 18, 2004 10:09:44 PM
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Gosh there's some odd perceptions of what is reality in this world.

Eddy Kay Shun is a good thing if ever undertaken...

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Reply #22 February 18, 2004 11:43:20 PM
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Eddy Kay Shun is a good thing if ever undertaken


Aww, that takes all the fun out of it

Much better to be unencumbered by reason.
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Reply #23 February 18, 2004 11:53:40 PM
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Perspective has been understood for thousands of years, and yet is the 'youngest' form of mathematical 'geometry' to be formally definable.

The depiction of a 3 dimensional object by mathematical/technical draughting as a two dimensional image is not much more than a century old.....but is crucial in Architecture [though these days ACAD software 'cheats' instead]....

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Reply #24 February 19, 2004 3:21:29 PM
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WOW. I just had a little thought, didn't mean to start an international uproar. And by the way, you're mind is tricked everyday. Whether watching TV, or listening to music, or just sitting there goig duh!. That's my favorite part. DUH! Peace. Hippie
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Reply #25 February 19, 2004 3:46:39 PM
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yeah, we actually see the world upside down, its just that thanks to the eye, the image is flipped around and our brain is taught to read it.

it will be a leap forward. as opposed to left/right or up/down?


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