Installed Windows 8.......

By on August 10, 2012 10:12:06 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

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A few days ago I installed the Windows 8 Release Preview on a brand new SSD. I'm seriously unimpressed...... I don't use ANYTHING that is on that Metro desktop, except Internet Explorer, so it all just seems a waste of time to me.

Everything is difficult to get to, and doesn't make sense. I don't claim to be the most tech savvy person, but i'm not an idiot, even so I had to google how to shut the damn computer down!! So, I can't see me using this at all, and I am seriously toying with the idea of buying a Mac. Since I use an iphone and don't like Android phones maybe that is the sensible thing to do, as it seems Microsoft are trying to get PC users to consolidate their computers, tablets and phones, which I'm not going to do as I love my iphone.

So, maybe it's a case of "choose your side" now, and go with what you are comfortable with. I'll never be comfortable with Windows 8 or Android phones so maybe the Mac route is going to be best for me.

My new SSD is currently empty, awaiting a clean install of Windows 7, which I will run until I decide whether to switch platforms..........

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August 10, 2012 10:18:59 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Bryan...Bryan....Bryan....there's nothing wrong with Win7 ....

Do what the clever people do....stay with 7 ....

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August 10, 2012 10:38:17 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

why did you even............ bother?

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August 10, 2012 10:52:35 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Indeed... W8 is a "No Joy" proposition.

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August 10, 2012 10:57:03 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Win8 is like a train wreck. Best observed from a safe distance.

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August 10, 2012 11:07:52 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I don't blame you for trying it out at all. If I had the extra HD I would as well.

The tile desktop is interesting to me and I think it has tremendous potential. Omino5 Rainmeter skin shows that much more could be done with it. Recolring and adjusting transparency of the tiles should be a given.

One thing I think would be amazing would be to turn the tiles into cubes that rotate with different apps or photos on each side. 

Without having seen it in action yet, why wouldn't they have a little bar with the power options and start menu button, similar to Omino5 on the desktop with the tiles?

 

It would/will (is it at all possible????) be interesting if the tiles can be skinned.

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August 10, 2012 11:37:39 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I too have not tried Windows 8, but everything that you can read and look at points at pretty much what you all have been saying, if you don't have a real need to upgrade don't.  It's possible that after it's release and an update it may improve, or the next update to Windows 7 includes some of the improvements that are, so to say under the hood, in Windows 8 are added to Windows 7.  We can only hope and wait..........maybe for Windows 9.  

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August 10, 2012 11:49:16 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I have it on my laptop, dual booted with 7.  8 never sees the light of day. I was actually thinking of removing 8 and adding something a bit more useful. Like maybe Windows 95. Maybe 98.  

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August 10, 2012 11:53:47 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Bryan...Bryan....Bryan....there's nothing wrong with WinXX ....

Do what the clever people do....stay with XX ....

 

where XX = 3.1, 98, XP, 7, etc.

 

the smart ones will move to something else, Linux, Mac...anything else. 

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August 10, 2012 12:15:44 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
there's nothing wrong with Win7 ....

 

Well...I wouldn't go THAT far...hehe.  

 

But 7 is the best Windows to date, IMHO.      

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August 10, 2012 12:38:10 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I've yet to see a positive review for Win8.  Would Windows not be better served by dumping most of the current concept and starting over?  I don't know how any of that works or if it's possible, but just seems to me they aren't looking at a good release.  By the way, just read that they are having to dump the name 'Metro' for legal reasons.  I still have Vista and am fine with it and wouldn't consider upgrading to anything else unless I am getting a new computer. 

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August 10, 2012 12:51:35 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

i'm not an idiot,

Ah. there's your trouble, you are over qualified to run Win8.

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August 10, 2012 1:00:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

A few days ago I installed the Windows 8 Release Preview on a brand new SSD.

The county of Yorkshire has just disowned you.

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August 10, 2012 1:56:27 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
Do what the clever people do....stay with 7 ....

Guess I'm clever, LOL. I will not move to 8!

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August 10, 2012 2:31:48 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

 but i like it does - I guess im not clever.. am i banned from the club now ? 

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August 10, 2012 2:57:43 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting PoSmedley,
One thing I think would be amazing would be to turn the tiles into cubes that rotate with different apps or photos on each side. 

While that might free up some desktop space, why in the world do I have to stand on my head and whistle Dixie just to have my computer even be so kind as to deign to allow me to have a desktop?

I think it's a failure... but if you like it, Po.... it's all yours. I'm too old a dog to relearn and remember how to do in five steps what should be done in one.

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August 10, 2012 3:05:15 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

You can't call it a failure since it isn't even available yet.  

Windows 8 is a transition OS that's going to start merging the desktop, mobile, and tablets together.  Mountain Lion on OS X is doing it, and whether you like it or not, that's the future of operating systems.  You can operate Windows 8 in desktop mode and be just fine, and of course there's going to be customization of it.

 

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August 10, 2012 3:27:14 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

But I have a PC.  I don't want a mobile or a tablet, and I don't want my powerful PC to be hamstrung because it needs to run on a tablet/mobile device that can't compete.

 

That being said, I think most tablets/mobile devices have higher specs than my PC.

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August 10, 2012 3:31:43 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting jwdR1,
where XX = 3.1, 98, XP, 7, etc.

I was just thinking the same thing.

Boxxi, Boxxi,

Quoting Island Dog,
whether you like it or not, that's the future of operating systems.

there are quite a few of MS OS's that just didn't make it. It would serve them financially best to work with only OS, cuts costs, etc. In the long run they may find it won't work. I certainly don't want to be using metro and have no intention to do so.

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August 10, 2012 3:54:49 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Island Dog,
You can't call it a failure since it isn't even available yet.  

Windows 8 is a transition OS that's going to start merging the desktop, mobile, and tablets together.  Mountain Lion on OS X is doing it, and whether you like it or not, that's the future of operating systems.  You can operate Windows 8 in desktop mode and be just fine, and of course there's going to be customization of it.

 

Yeah, I can. Just did. Tried it and couldn't stand it. Therefore, for me it failed.

Will Start8 work with it? Will SD create an app to force it to boot to the desktop? And why shouldn't I have the say what boots on a computer I bought? Why do I need an app to do what a consumer driven OS should be capable of modifying on its own by my choices?

I don't need to manage all those devices together: I can foresee the security breaches that'll wipe every account and email you have while taking over your identity when you unite all those devices across an OS. Remember: Your computer is only as secure as its weakest link.

I don't want a "smart" phone. I want an "el cheapo" that I can use for (of all things) a telephone call. And I want it to act and sound like a telephone. I don't need it to order me theater tickets and calculate how far I have to walk if I decide to eat a piece of pumpkin pie.

If I can't get an OS that's half way normal, I'll live without. I sure as hell don't want an OS that gives me no choice as to what boots, and looks like a Rubik's Cube with Schizophrenia. Since when does MS know what's best for me?

I'll use Windows 7 until MS with its planned obsolescence tries to push some other half baked idea to bloat its coffers. You'll have to buy apps and guess who runs the store?

If MS kills W7... I'll move to Linux. If I have to learn a new OS, at least it won't look like that pos.

 

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August 10, 2012 3:55:14 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

 

I like it!  But then when have I not ever gone against the grain

 

Windows 8 + Touchscreen PC + Windows Phone = everything I need and then some

 

I might actually be able to retire my existing phone an iPad and an iMac or two with the above scenario......hehe

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August 10, 2012 4:11:41 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Island Dog,
You can't call it a failure since it isn't even available yet.  

Windows 8 is a transition OS that's going to start merging the desktop, mobile, and tablets together.  Mountain Lion on OS X is doing it, and whether you like it or not, that's the future of operating systems.  You can operate Windows 8 in desktop mode and be just fine, and of course there's going to be customization of it.

 

Spencer.....always the voice of reason......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..........this time, you have no reason.

 

    

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August 10, 2012 5:42:07 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Island Dog,
You can't call it a failure since it isn't even available yet.  
Windows 8 is a transition OS that's going to start merging the desktop, mobile, and tablets together.  Mountain Lion on OS X is doing it, and whether you like it or not, that's the future of operating systems.  You can operate Windows 8 in desktop mode and be just fine, and of course there's going to be customization of it.
 

 

Agreed.

 

It is however a shame that they didn't try and preserve some more of the features in 7 that have been a big success; I see this process a lot with the corporate clients I work with. Baby + Bath-water, they always have to go.

 

1) Aero - I love it and so do lots of people, should let you turn it on in desktop mode. Cruel people.

2) Gadgets - Clock, Cal, Weather and CoreTemp. I am so attached to these, did they really have to die?

3) Start-menu - finally got it just right then dumped it. Say no more.

 

I will add that there are a lot of very good things under the covers which may not be so obvious. New Driver models. Hyper-V. Disc virtualisation. Fast boot. Storage Spaces (bit like SAN).

 

You win some, you lose some. 

 

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August 11, 2012 9:42:27 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Island Dog,
Windows 8 is a transition OS that's going to start merging the desktop, mobile, and tablets together.

That for me is a complete waste of time as I do not want or need to merge/sync with anything to or from my desktop, nor do I want to be made to jump through hoops and beg "pretty please" to access a traditional working desktop with the regular functions. 

Now MS could have made the "we're not allowed to call it Metro anymore" UI optional for users such as myself - like NOT having us boot into it by default, and making it off-screen unless required - but did MS think of me and the millions of users worldwide who'll never ever want or need to sync with a confounded a smart phone, pad or laptop halfway across town?  No it didn't... and for mine, it is damned arrogant of MS to foist this Metro crap upon those who neither need or want it in their daily lives.

Worse still, MS' arrogance extends to impeding those who just want a regular PC desktop without the confounding, unnecessarily complicating UI that is Metro.. or WhateverTF they call it these days.  Stardock and others came up with ways to assist users achieve this with 3rd party apps, but MS, with its bully boy tactics, has more or less told users "fuck you, you'll use Windows 8 as we prescribe" and implemented blocking measures to prevent even a measly start button.  Now if that's not arrogance in the 1st degree then I'll eat Jafo's socks [he knows what I mean].

If MS had allowed me to use Win 8 as I do Win 7, with a regular start button and start menu, and booting directly to the desktop, they wouldn't have needed to tempt me with a $39.95 price tag.... I would likely have paid the full asking price for it simply to take advantage of the speed increases it delivers with my new FX8170 CPU.  Now it's a wait and see game, and if I cannot use Win 8 as I do now [ the Release Preview], then they can shove it where the sun don't shine... SIDEWAYS.

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January 10, 2013 2:50:59 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I like Windows 8 (with Start8, ex7forw8, or other alternative running in the background) and the proper configurations made. It does improve on SOME features, like copy/paste, which I do a lot of. And it is a faster and generally prettier experience.

 

HATE THE START SCREEN THOUGH. I need to have 10 programs running to make sure that I never have to see it. Completely all over the place and illogical tile system. A chore to organize.

 

I do like the Netflix app, which I run in the background, and the music app is nice for having parties with a TV running in the background, and I like getting toaster popups for facebook chat. With the proper fixes, it could be an acceptable HTPC UI or, even better an actual desktop OS. It has decent multimonitor support, and I'm assuming Xbox 360 controller support isn't far off.

 

The problem with the Start Screen though is that it doesnt improve on the start menu, and even these Metro apps, generally, are worse and harder to use than their desktop counterpart, so who would ever use them? Desktops are about multitasking and uninterruptable, limitless consumption of anything you can find with a google search. Windows can keep the theme of Windows 8, and maybe even the tiles, but Microsoft needs to realize that Desktops and Laptops are NOT tablets. Buttons do NOT need to be 128x128 for me to click on them, and every app on my computer could be viewed in a SINGLE screen without any scrolling necessary.

 

I recommend Start8 with a few important configurations made, mainly, use the Windows 7 start menu, and enable "Windows Button opens last Metro UI app". Opens up Metro a lot on the desktop, allowing you to quickly jump in and out of a metro app without having to go back and forth through the Start Screen. I find it especially useful for Netflix (or Hulu, or anything of that nature)

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January 10, 2013 5:52:34 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting Northern49,


HATE THE START SCREEN THOUGH. I need to have 10 programs running to make sure that I never have to see it. Completely all over the place and illogical tile system. A chore to organize.
 

The problem with the Start Screen though is that it doesnt improve on the start menu, and even these Metro apps, generally, are worse and harder to use than their desktop counterpart, so who would ever use them? Desktops are about multitasking and uninterruptable, limitless consumption of anything you can find with a google search. Windows can keep the theme of Windows 8, and maybe even the tiles, but Microsoft needs to realize that Desktops and Laptops are NOT tablets. Buttons do NOT need to be 128x128 for me to click on them, and every app on my computer could be viewed in a SINGLE screen without any scrolling necessary.

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012885/20-must-know-windows-8-tips-and-tricks.html

 

You'll notice right on the first page of that article that one can quite easily "zoom out" in order to see all available 'apps' on the screen at once and 'grouping of apps' is actually quite easy and logical (I thought).  The list of hotkeys should also prove useful.

 

There are some other websites with even more indepth and advanced tips 'n tricks but I thought this one quickly touched on two of your noted issues with Win8.

 

Hope that helps.....

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