Why should an MS account be required to install W11?

teddybearcholla

Join Date 12/2002

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

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The last time I installed a fresh version of Windows 10, which was about a week ago, I was forced to use an MS account. Which I did, then I made a local account with admin power, and deleted the MS login account.

They are forcing the Hello pin as well. It is stupid.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Quoting RedneckDude,

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The last time I installed a fresh version of Windows 10, which was about a week ago, I was forced to use an MS account. Which I did, then I made a local account with admin power, and deleted the MS login account.

They are forcing the Hello pin as well. It is stupid.

In the article, the author wrote that he installed W10 offline, and that worked, as well. MS has become truly invasive.

Check this out:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/299341-microsoft-needs-to-stop-screwing-with-local-accounts-in-windows-10

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Win 11 had better have clear user access to local accounts... not all this bullshit designed to confuse users as to their options, privacy and other rights. It seems that MS learnt nothing from the debacle of 'Get Windows 10' which forced users into upgrading when they didn't want to. That happened to me when Win 10 was installed on my HP 2-in-1 during Scheduled Maintenance during the night. Not only was it without my consent, the recovery partition was wiped as well, meaning I couldn't roll back to the original OS installation.

I do like the looks of Win 11 and its new features, but again I am not fussed regarding MS' tactics and behaviour.

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DaveRI

Join Date 09/2003

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Ya for the last week or two I've been getting a "Setup Screen" every few days at boot prompting me to set Edge as my default browser and log in with my Microsoft account. It's easy to say no the the browser prompt, but no clear way to say no to the MS login. So I "cancel" and a few days later it pops back up. I'm still on the older 20H2 version, the prompt to download 21H1 is still sitting there, so I have to think it came down in some "patch".

I could probably log in with the MS login to get it off my back, then go into the user account profile and change it back but I haven't tried it yet.

MS does seem to be on a mission to get plugged into everyone. I have no interest in sharing settings between devices etc., and even less interest in being constantly logged in at MS.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Quoting DaveRI,

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MS does seem to be on a mission to get plugged into everyone. I have no interest in sharing settings between devices etc., and even less interest in being constantly logged in at MS.

Exactly my sentiment, DaveRI. Why should an OS depend on being logged into a MS account? What the heck does one have to do with another?

Just one more example of our rapidly disappearing rights to anything resembling privacy.

It's called a PC, right? PC=Personal computer.

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kona0197

Join Date 02/2003

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I just linked my Gmail account to Microsoft and created my Microsoft account that way. That was a few years ago. Never been an issue.

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c242

Join Date 03/2001

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Proof me wrong, but what is a Mac/iPhone/iPad worth without an apple account? Also I like the opportunity to sync between different machines. Hell, we are "forced" to have an account to use Stardock-Products also. Uh, oh... Ever tried to have a half decent Android experience without subscribing to Google? So what exactly are we complaining about here?

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DaveRI

Join Date 09/2003

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Quoting c242,

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So what exactly are we complaining about here?

I don't mind having an MS account, I've had one for years. I have almost never used it for anything. I'm not interested in the advantages of being logged in with it. My general practice, with very few exceptions, is that I don't stay logged in to anything unless I have a reason to be.

I really don't mind (too much) that they've decided to nudge me to log in with that account. I do mind that they haven't just provided with a straightforward means to say "No, thank you" and be done with it.

I'll admit that I do have to wonder why they spent the money on creating the nudge, and why they seem to have intentionally ignored the choice to opt out. Companies usually don't spend a dime on anything unless they expect to get more back one way or another.

As for Mac, iPhone, iPad, Android - not my problem.

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kona0197

Join Date 02/2003

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Game consoles now require an account to play any games. It is what it is.

I really don't see any issues. Log in with an account, turn off the stuff you don't need or use, problem solved.

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kona0197

Join Date 02/2003

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Can anyone confirm what I have heard that Windows 11 will only allow apps from the Microsoft app store? I have quite a few old programs and games I like to use, be a shame if MS said you can only install apps from the store. If it's true I guess a lot of people can't use Firefox or Chrome on 11.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Kona: I suggest giving this a glance.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/299341-microsoft-needs-to-stop-screwing-with-local-accounts-in-windows-10

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

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Quoting kona0197,

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I really don't see any issues. Log in with an account, turn off the stuff you don't need or use, problem solved.

I'll use the COVID thing to illustrate my issue with forced MS Account logins.

I never had an issue with wearing masks for COVID. What I did have an issue with was being forced to wear a mask.

I always sign in with my MS Account, but I don't like being forced to do it.

My wife calls it stubborness, but the quickest way to make sure I don't do something is to try and make me do it. And vice versa. Just my 2 cents...lol.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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I suggest to those interested this gHacks article: https://www.ghacks.net/2021/06/29/microsoft-may-adjust-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e2637%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e2rds

"Microsoft's explained that the stricter system requirements would improve security, reliability and compatibility with Windows 11. Practically, there is no good reason to limit Windows 11 to the listed processor generations, as the operating system would certainly run as well on a 7th generation and maybe even a 6th generation CPU.

Why then did Microsoft decide on these strict system requirements? Is it because it wants hardware to be pushed (and thus also OEM copies of Windows 11), or because it wants users to experience a fast responsive system, something that can best be achieved with the latest processors?" - gHack

You know which choice I'm betting on, M$.

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ALMonty

Join Date 01/2002

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When installing disconnect from the internet and it will create a local account. Or create an account and after it is installed delete the account and it will put you back to a local account.

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c242

Join Date 03/2001

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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I suggest to those interested this gHacks article: https://www.ghacks.net/2021/06/29/microsoft-may-adjust-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e2637%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e2rds

"Microsoft's explained that the stricter system requirements would improve security, reliability and compatibility with Windows 11. Practically, there is no good reason to limit Windows 11 to the listed processor generations, as the operating system would certainly run as well on a 7th generation and maybe even a 6th generation CPU.

Why then did Microsoft decide on these strict system requirements? Is it because it wants hardware to be pushed (and thus also OEM copies of Windows 11), or because it wants users to experience a fast responsive system, something that can best be achieved with the latest processors?" - gHack

You know which choice I'm betting on, M$.

We have used 10 and will have 11 for free for how long? Heck even old Win 7 keys still work until today. I am all critical towards some MS practices also, but this is just bashing. I wait for the next dumbhead blaming Bill Gates for this although he is not related to Microsoft anymore for more than a decade now.

"Practically, there is no good reason to limit Windows 11 to the listed processor generations, as the operating system would certainly run as well on a 7th generation and maybe even a 6th generation CPU."

And practically there is no good reason to blame an officially not released OS for things, that are not even sure yet.

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c242

Join Date 03/2001

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As a side note, what I don't understand: My machine ist not capable of running 11 (yet) but I can run it on Hyper-V as a virtual machine on the very same laptop.

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ALMonty

Join Date 01/2002

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Quoting c242,

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As a side note, what I don't understand: My machine ist not capable of running 11 (yet) but I can run it on Hyper-V as a virtual machine on the very same laptop.

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c242

Join Date 03/2001

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I know, it is my i7 getting old.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Quoting c242,

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Quoting DrJBHL,

reply 14

I suggest to those interested this gHacks article: https://www.ghacks.net/2021/06/29/microsoft-may-adjust-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e2637%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e2rds

"Microsoft's explained that the stricter system requirements would improve security, reliability and compatibility with Windows 11. Practically, there is no good reason to limit Windows 11 to the listed processor generations, as the operating system would certainly run as well on a 7th generation and maybe even a 6th generation CPU.

Why then did Microsoft decide on these strict system requirements? Is it because it wants hardware to be pushed (and thus also OEM copies of Windows 11), or because it wants users to experience a fast responsive system, something that can best be achieved with the latest processors?" - gHack

You know which choice I'm betting on, M$.

We have used 10 and will have 11 for free for how long? Heck even old Win 7 keys still work until today. I am all critical towards some MS practices also, but this is just bashing. I wait for the next dumbhead blaming Bill Gates for this although he is not related to Microsoft anymore for more than a decade now.

"Practically, there is no good reason to limit Windows 11 to the listed processor generations, as the operating system would certainly run as well on a 7th generation and maybe even a 6th generation CPU."

And practically there is no good reason to blame an officially not released OS for things, that are not even sure yet.

Right. Because MS's record is so clean, or maybe this time it'll be different? C'mon, Carl...MS leaked that version, just like its sneak hints about W11 to whip up the market. They just didn't expect it to backfire. I'm way past the point of believing in MS's goodness.

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Right. Because MS's record is so clean, or maybe this time it'll be different? C'mon, Carl...MS leaked that version, just like its sneak hints about W11 to whip up the market. They just didn't expect it to backfire. I'm way past the point of believing in MS's goodness.

Thing is, MS has not behaved in users better interests since it forced Win 10 down peoples throats. That's when any 'goodness' MS had flew out the windows [pun intended. However, I do like some of the new features Win 11 has to offer and I will upgrade when the time comes.

Okay, so there may not be an opt out with regards to the MS account, and that is unfortunate for many users who don't know how to bypass it, but I'm not going to waste any time worrying over it. I shall just create a secondary user account that will be local and use that as my primary account. Then if I need to download from the store I'll log into directly using my email address... and when I'm done I'll just close it.

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Chasbo

Join Date 01/2005

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Quoting RedneckDude,

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 10

I really don't see any issues. Log in with an account, turn off the stuff you don't need or use, problem solved.

I'll use the COVID thing to illustrate my issue with forced MS Account logins.

I never had an issue with wearing masks for COVID. What I did have an issue with was being forced to wear a mask.

I always sign in with my MS Account, but I don't like being forced to do it.

My wife calls it stubborness, but the quickest way to make sure I don't do something is to try and make me do it. And vice versa. Just my 2 cents...lol.

First off Jim wearing a mask is so that if you have Covid you don't spread it. That's been proved. If some folks don't give a damn about making others sick because they don't want to do the right thing by wearing a mask I see no problem in forcing them to wear the mask. Why would a responsible person want to make someone else sick with a virus that could possibly kill them? Basically that's what happens. No masks, no social distancing = a lot of sick people. I don't have to tell you this stuff. I know you probably know it.

I don't think that signing into a MS account will kill you. These are two completely different issues with two different ramifications.

When you say "the quickest way to make sure I don't do something is to try and make me do it" it reminds me of the type of thing my kids used to tell me. LOL

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Quoting Chasbo,

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I don't think that signing into a MS account will kill you. These are two completely different issues with two different ramifications.

Correct...I agree it won't kill you - the account sign on to install, I'm objecting to that sign on business because of this:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/299341-microsoft-needs-to-stop-screwing-with-local-accounts-in-windows-10

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Quoting c242,

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As a side note, what I don't understand: My machine ist not capable of running 11 (yet) but I can run it on Hyper-V as a virtual machine on the very same laptop.

Found this for you, Carl.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-fix-the-windows-11-installation-error-enabling-tpm-and-secure-boot/?ftag=CAD3c77551&bhid=22934121128163694730898056497463&mid=13421239&cid=534432969

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DaveRI

Join Date 09/2003

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Quoting DrJBHL,

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Found this for you, Carl.

That's a pretty good write-up, thanks Seth. I had worm-holed around in Google a while earlier regarding the TPM and Secure Boot and found several bits and pieces, but nothing as thorough as that.

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