You did absolutely nothing and want to take credit for something you had no reason to take credit for? Funny how people try to play a game of how I did this and that. Whatever man.  

Yes, I thought it was time to end the conversation. Religion is always a difficult subject. The problem is that if you put everything into faith, then that is all you need. You don't need to look for answers, you don't need to test your assumptions or your values.

Luckily we have the scientific method that does allow up to hypothesise and to test those theories to see if can get closer to real understanding of the world and the universe we live in. Arguing with theists doesn't get you anywhere it just like arguing about gun control or politics.

I have no problem with people who believe in a god or gods. However, dismissing science because you don't agree with it is not just irrational it is dangerous. It is the reason we have flat earthers, anti-vacination hystery, holocaust deniers, evolution deniers, moon landing deniers the list goes on. Who cares about supporting your arguments whop cares about empirical evidence?

@rg-gs I am not sure what you are on about - taking credit - taking credit for what?

Of course, as with Good old Politics, threads relating to Religion/belief will always be contentious, so remember not to debate the person , ONLY the topic, otherwise when it gets to name-calling it will all end in tears [and a closed thread]...

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@rg-gs - did I say I knew the "deal"? I just put forward a simple premise. It is foolish to ignore science and base your beliefs and understading of the world around us on a book pieced together almost 2000 years ago. As an aside have you ever done some delving into how the 27books of the bible were put together? It is fascinating.

Jumping up and down saying "no body knows the truth" is in my opinion the foolish action. If humans always took that approach we would still be living in caves

That is what I do not understand. Is why people (like yourself) think I think one thing but don't. I never mentioned anything about the Bible or anything did I? 

I simply put that no one knows the deal did I not? 

Good god people, get it right. If you challenge me, bring it on in the right way. lol

You are counting the old testament. I was referring to the new testament. And I don't expect you to do anything. 

As for creationism, it is not a science. Creationism is the belief that God or gods created reality through divine intervention (supernatural). The scientific consensus is that the universe arose through purely natural processes. Many aspects of creationism cannot be tested because they are based on belief,  because the ideas are not falsifiable it means creationism is not a science. Creationism is pseudoscience.

I don't believe in a judeo-christian concept of god in the same way that you discount Odin,  Zeus and the thousands of other gods that people have held to be true over the ages. You are free to believe what you like. I think we will continue to disagree on what is a more likely origin of reality so I think it is best left at that. 

Don't get your knickers in a twist teleytea - the sentence about the creation of the new testament was prefixed with "As an aside ". 

Creationism is not just an idea held by christians.

This post to Admiral Willy – LightStar & Uvah – I see you have given many of the unknown things a lot of thought.

Being argumentive  is non-productive but let me, if I may, confess some observations you my find contemplative.

God is not an Ogre carrying a big club to beat you into submission if you choose not to learn the difference between

right and wrong. He’s not going to interfere with your self destructive lifestyle if this life makes you happy. We have many

terrorist that have chosen to destroy the U.S. if they can and God has many enemies here on earth that hate all Godly

people and those who follow peace. God has given to every Human being a free gift that has a powerful and  profound

effect on their life. It is the free and willful gift of  “Freedom of Choice”. Yes in answer to your statement, God is an Alien

compared to our choices. His Power – His endless Wisdom – His Armies of Archangels that defeated the  Archangel Lucifer

and all his followers in a universal war that took place not on  this Earth are all Alien to us as passing observers.

But I would rather that God not be Alien to me and that I not be Alien to Him as my years accumulate and I find my end has come.

God has a “Prime Directive” He will not violate and that is Your Free Will to choose who you will be and what you will become. 

You can choose to Hate God and blame everything on Him because you will not accept responsibility for your own thoughts

and actions or you can claim He does not exist and this is all a fabrication of someone’s imagination and in the process

use your mind to rationalize all the concepts of God and Religion and intelligent design and purpose away and claim you

came from a tadpole.  God has warned us that the rational mind is at enmity with God and will not  yield the truth.

Some things have to be accepted by pure faith in what He said and described as truth even if we don’t as of yet understand

completely.  If you ask in pure faith – He will in due time give you a complete answer. He does not choose to cut off your head

if you don’t believe Him as some religions do. But God chooses to nurture you with love and kindness and long suffering on His

part until you decide to ask with an open mind without preconceived thoughts about who and what He is and what His plan

my be for your life. He will not override or force Himself upon an unwilling soul if you fight and resist. All of life is a struggle and

our free will is our determination to survive. Everyone on Earth will die in due time and our days are numbered by Him.

You must have faith in yourself and your freedom to determine the outcome of your life. “Faith is the Substance of things

hoped for and the clear evidence of things not seen.” “ The Just shall live by Faith” This is why we as a Nation

we will never be defeated. We can be wounded but we are the Sleeping Dragon and you don’t want to kick the Dragon.

Every Tyrant in the World that kicked this Dragon no longer exist today. I want to offer up to you a puzzle or a bit of conundrum

if you will – God knew that our small Sun was so powerful that it would scorch and burn our atmosphere away and that all life

would never be able to survive the Solar Winds and Cosmic radiation so He lined up Mercury and Venus to take much of the assault

and spaced the Earth at a very Precise distance so we were close enough to enjoy the benefits but far enough that our internal shielding

(The Iron Core and resulting magnetic field) would form the Aurora Borealis and protect the unknowing inhabitants. My question  to

you, Would call this preconceived intelligent thought and design or just a bunch of rocks that haphazardly fell into place. 

Remember Mars does not have a protective magnetic field and mostly all of the H2O that was there  during it’s creation is gone. – Jbuck406

I Agree completely - very well stated my friend! - jbuck406

 Well stated MindlessMe!   

Dear Chungas - It is not that I disagree with it - it is that God himself (the creator of the Universe) disagrees with it.

The mountain of evidence your referring to - That is why they call a PhD (piled higher and deeper)

The expanding Universe - I agree with - it is self evident - but the "Big Bang" was the spoken word as

described in Genesis - and yes it is still active today. 

The mission patch for the first manned mission to Mars should have a well know quote from a wise man named Quaid. "Get your a** to Mars!"