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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

+936

Rating Trolling

I was made aware today (again) of someone rating trolling as I call it. This is where someone is purposely giving a skin a "1" rating to bring down the ratings. We (the moderators and admins) have been doing this long enough to know what a fair and reasonable rating is, and even giving leeway to that it's easy to see where someone is just doing to harm a skin rating.

The surprising part is this is done by people who have been here for years and are ranking members of the site.

Ratings have always been a touchy subject, but there comes a point where the actions of one member to clearly harm another members skin is something we won't tolerate. As an example, we deleted over 30 "1" ratings made by one person on competing skins in the same category.

From here on I will demote any member regardless of their current ranking who is doing this in a clearly malicious manner.

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jackvickers

Quoting moshi,

reply 125

as one or two star rated skins don't seem to exist

They do exist on the users personal pages.

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Quoting Hankers,

reply 126

Quoting moshi,

reply 125

as one or two star rated skins don't seem to exist

They do exist on the users personal pages.

has there been a single Windowblinds skin buried in the personal pages in recent years?

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the_Monk

Join Date 01/2008

+219

Quoting Jafo,

reply 109

It's why I have no friends....

You too eh? Weird......hehe

Quoting Phoon,

reply 110

..... a thorough and pleasurable butt kissing.

Of course but I wouldn't call it 'pleasurable' unless the subject had an especially aesthetically pleasing backside!

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Snowman

Join Date 03/2001

+343

Quoting moshi,

reply 127

has there been a single Windowblinds skin buried in the personal pages in recent years?

Yep, but I cannot remember which or by who they were made.

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Quoting Snowman,

reply 129

Quoting moshi,

reply 127

has there been a single Windowblinds skin buried in the personal pages in recent years?

Yep, but I cannot remember which or by who they were made.

thanks for the answer. this seems to be very rare though, i'd guess the forum would be full of complaints if this would happen regularly.

i still think the scale goes from 3 to 5.

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gmc2

Join Date 11/2003

+296

Quoting DrJBHL,

reply 68

Quoting WOM,

reply 67

people download based on the preview...Do you buy a car from just looking at it? Think not, you test drive it.

Absolutely agree. That's why I think that rating and commenting should be enabled only for those who download the skin.

Now that the hub-bub has died down some, I would like to agree with these statements to a degree. I just downloaded a skin that I rated pretty high only to find out the UIS2 frames, tool windows and button highlights/shadows were not skinned. While the skin is pretty it's unusable for the applications that I use.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1187

Quoting gmc2,

reply 131

That's why it's necessary...depending on the skinnable's complexity...to actually test it. Top of that list has always been Shell enhancements/replacements [including Windowblinds]. Bottom of that list is actually Wallpapers....as they do nothing other than 'sit there looking pretty'.

Any compound skin...with functions/animations/different states of interaction...ie a GUI can only be correctly evaluated by use.

It is why Wallpapers are only an addendum to skinning, and not skinning per se ...

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benmanns

Join Date 12/2005

+92

I admit i did already rated a skin without downloading it, by simply judging them by the screenshot, many skinners already include active unactive frames they display the startmenu show mouseover effects and such in it and sometimes they even show the calculator and notification the only thing i would miss out would be the please wait animation or startmenu animation frame animation and sounds) but normaly if a skin is animated i download it, but if there is no animation there only can be functionality issues but if nobody complained about problems at stagering 1200+ download things should be ok.

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WOM

Join Date 01/2002

+243

A lot of people say ...oh what a great looking skin. I give it Most are looking at the preview and once that starts most just join the crowd. Damn few ever say if they found something wrong, they will PM the person so he can fix it, that way they don't put a blemish on the skin and piss the maker off. Egos are big.

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benmanns

Join Date 12/2005

+92

Quoting WOM,

reply 134

A lot of people say ...oh what a great looking skin. I give it

Most are looking at the preview and once that starts most just join the crowd. Damn few ever say if they found something wrong, they will PM the person so he can fix it, that way they don't put a blemish on the skin and piss the maker off. Egos are big.

Im certainly not the guy that keeps his mouth shut when i tend to find something problematic in fact i personal messaged some GUI competetors the last time about some stuff i found... before the rating started.

I just think that when you see a skin and follow it up on a WIP topic you can judge the design by itself if the screenshot provides enough information about the skin menus and stuff in the end the only thing that remains open is if the skin does work as promised but usualy people tend to write if things do not work rather than making a rating.

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Must say, I may complain a LOT about the Master Skinner's pricing their products beyond $.99 , I don't mess with ratings. I may have only rated a skin once or twice but it was only because I liked it. Master Skinners can only judge their ratings from a buyer who thinks the product is worth the buy already. So those ratings are in essence paid ratings. Not really fair to judge those against any but other Master skins. It's a shame when the majority of the skins of a given product are flooded with large price tags. Kind of cheapens the Stardock product value.

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Philly0381

Join Date 11/2004

+842

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

+936

Quoting PixelPunk,

reply 136

It's a shame when the majority of the skins of a given product are flooded with large price tags. Kind of cheapens the Stardock product value.

No, it doesn't. But really, we know your views on pricing, leave the poor horse alone.

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bmetelsky

Join Date 03/2001

+14

Wow - I read through the thread because I thought it was new. Just more of the same old b.s. about skin ratings. I do agree with demoting and/or banning anyone who is obviously abusing the system. I usually don't rate anything that I have not downloaded, and have bit my tongue a few times to just not say anything (i.e. if you can't say something nice.....).

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sydneysiders

Join Date 04/2004

+992

Quoting PixelPunk,

reply 136

Must say, I may complain a LOT about the Master Skinner's pricing their products beyond $.99

only because you never listen, absorb and comprehend the explanations given to you as to why your idea does not translate to windowblind sales....

you are like a broken record on a loop....

Quoting PixelPunk,

reply 136

So those ratings are in essence paid ratings.

No, they're not paid ratings... they are ratings from people who have paid... there's a dif...

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I did not know that the ratings on the master skins were only from paid users. That helps me judge the the results so much better. I just put my mouse over the ratings under a skin and see the star light up, so I assume that if I were to click it it would rate the product. And I don't think that is fair from someone who hasn't really tested the product

Broken record... yeah. Not the only one who feels that way though. Someone contacted me about their collection of paid ones here on the forums, but I don't think that is right either.

There are just too many jumping on the bandwagon to be master skinners. Most master skins now are simply average skins There are only a small handful of skins that truly deserve to be called masters. Not everyone who is a master skinner should be putting all their skins for sale. Why not simply make a market so everyone can sell their skins in one place, and separate the two types. Maybe only skins that have 10 stars should even be considered as master.

Back when there was like one master skin for every 2-3 pages of skins, I bought one some years ago. Now sometimes we are lucky if there 3 non master skins on some pages. I am still waiting for that next skin that I will buy. One skinner is very close... her skins are just a tad too large for me. Her prices are extreme though and so it makes it even harder to consider.

Wonder what would happen if master skinners put a skin on sale for $.99 like a song on itunes every once in a while? Bet there would be a jump in sales. If this were done on a daily basis randomly in a window on Wincustomize, it might increase interest.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1187

Just to clarify....it is the source that makes a skin a 'Master skin', not the other way round...

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LightStar

Join Date 12/2002

+674

Quoting PixelPunk,

reply 141

Why do you keep on constantly talking about this 99 cent Master Skin crap? Just so you know, there is a minimum sale price established at WinCustomize and they will not allow a 99 cent skin, not even a $1.99 skin, or even a $2.99 skin. Please stop constantly complaining, because to tell you the truth, nobody really cares what you think.

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

+900

PixelPunk... Here.. have some more cheese with your whine...

Here's the news.. No one cares about the nonsensical rantings of a petulant whiney boy.

You should pick up a brush, make a few skins, or even ONE.. and see how much work goes into them, compared to the payoff.

Then you should start your own customization company and attempt to keep it profitable year after year after year.

But you wont.. because people like u, that do nothing other than to try tear down others because their own lives are so miserable and their ego so tiny... never amount to anything.

Why a momma's basement keyboard warrior is continually allowed to spout this repetitive garbage on this site is beyond me.

Where's Brad??

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Fuzzy Logic

Join Date 05/2002

+482

PixelPunk - how about you get off your lazy, entitled arse and contribute instead of whinging.

You know why the page is full of master skins? Because people who release free skins, like me, don't upload anymore. Where's the reward in spending days or weeks on something only to have some ungrateful bitch whinging about it. So, I keep it to myself and skin for myself

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Quoting PixelPunk,

reply 141

i think you're overestimating the demand for payskins. there are just very few people willing to spend money for a skin, no matter wether it's $1 or $20.

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

+936

Still going with this? There's no use in coming back to a thread with the same comments over and over.

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