Strange. You pick on me for what I said yet Doc said Windows8 is crap and you don't pick on him. I see how it is.

Well I'll admit I don't have experience with Windows 8.1, but I do have experience with Windows 8. That being said, I see the posts from other members here on all the bad things about Windows 8.1. I can gather logically that Windows 7 is still much better.

It isn't that Win8 is better than Win7. Both work very well only differently. Think of Win8 as Win7 with more functionality, geared towards touch screens. After playing with Win8 for a bit I'm gradually beginning to like it. I just don't like the way MS is handling it. Win8.1 acts like a poorly designed service pack rather than a full blown OS.

All it does is mention a driver bug but nothing about 8.1 taking out services or uninstalling existing software installed on Win8. None of which should have been touched, IMO. If anyone asks me I'm going to tell them not to until all of the issues have been fixed. It isn't worth the aggravation. 

Don't feel bad, you meant well. Its just that no one anticipated all the headaches. 8.1 was supposed to correct what was wrong with 8 but it didn't in some cases.

Roloccolor - Did you forget that I downloaded the Windows 8 preview and used it for some time before I was given a copy of Windows 7? Yeah, funny how those little things slip your mind.

When did Doc say that Windows 8 was crap? In another thread here in Personal Computing

And yes, Windows 7 is better. The numbers speak for themselves. Windows 7 has a bigger share in the market, and rightly so.

And Windows 7 has been out for how long?  2009. It would have a larger share just due to being out longer.

 Kona, sometimes it seems you just argue to be arguing. And you contradict yourself a lot. I just accept that as part of being you.

I upgraded to 8.1 and had several problems...windows explorer constantly crashed, wifi issues, web plugins not working, etc...

I then did a clean install of 8, installed only windows updates (NO drivers or software), then upgraded to 8.1...I've installed all the proper drivers and all my original software, and nearly all the problems I originally had are non-existent...the only issue I have is with a web-plugin I need for work, and I found a work around for it...

It would seem that a big source of many of these problems is not inherently 8.1, but rather the issues that go with upgrading (as opposed to clean installs)....

No, no one forgot that.  It's just as RND stated you often contradict yourself and certainly make posts that scream "argumentative for the sake of being so".

Besides, downloading the preview and playing around in that for a while doesn't amount to the level of experience your posts routinely imply.  You may want to beat around the bush some more, but kona it is the absolute truth to say that most (if not all of your posts surrounding Windows 8, Windows phone 8 etc. etc.) have been nothing more than arguing for the sake of arguing.

That's just it kona.........you never debate.  You start threads or enter posts with argumentative statements (often claiming the absolute and sometimes contradictory to past posts of yours).  There is no real 'debate' with you.....

You're the fan of looking back into past posts.  Check it out.  You were making statements against Windows Phone long before you even had a smartphone.  What was it?  Oh right.......it was "too rich for your blood".......that's it.

@ Everyone else, sorry for the off-topic. 

As RND and Seleuceia have indicated, opting for the clean install route with Windows 8.1 (as with any OS imo) is the way to go.  I had only done the 'upgrade' to test things out (it was a brand-new notebook with nothing of importance on it yet) and sure enough as my previous post indicates there were some pretty major issues, all of which have been since resolved by a 'clean install' of 8.1

That was before I got a job. Anyhow, I see your point, and my response is - so what? Just go with the flow. What do you want me to do? I already have a tarnished reputation, I can't fix that.

I was a hater too until I was forced to get a new laptop. Start8 saved the day.

Talk about haters I still have Vista Ultimate 32bit running on my desktop. I ordered it from HP 1 month after vista came out. All that time I only had to use System Restore once. Never had to format and it's been running smooth ever since.