Quoting ARESIV, reply 79Last but not least, I will say it again. Touch on a desktop with screen sizes being in
excess of 27 inch nowadays makes as much sense as a refrigerator in Antarctic. People are understandable in
no mood to polish their monitors every other day.
Ok you might want to view this : link
Quoting ARESIV, reply 79Realistically there is very little that has an appeal to the average user in Windows 8
compared to Windows 7
You could also say "Users that already have Windows7"
The XP user or the vista user that took the advantage to buy win8 (good solid OS) for 50bucks or some even 30
bucks are not complaining most of them are happy.
If i compare the current price and functions offered by Windows 7 ultimate 150€ +
And now Windows8 Pro Systembuilder 110-120€
The appeal for me was to finally do things different couldn´t see the old startmenu anymore also i liked the idea of
Also dual screen support was a point why i switched hated to cut my dual walls in half or get third party software
to do it.
HyperV and Step record. But that’s not all the option to directly save a page as pdf without third party the list is
Now, that is a SCREEN. Sadly 40000 Euro is a bit above my price range.
I would not consider a move from XP to Windows 8 to be an advantage.
Most Vista users have moved to Win 7 quite quickly.... and those who waited longer have little reason to again spend money on an operating system, no matter how much it costs.
If the internet is any indication, most of the people who switched are not happy.
If you are running XP you have to ask yourself one simple question: Do I like Modern UI? If yes.... 8 is interesting for you. If no, there is no reason to get Windows 8 over Windows 7. Why should you bother yourself with a new, ugly UI if you dont have to?
If from your POV Windows 8 has killer features you absolutly need, thats fine for you and you should buy it. I am however pretty certain that a majority of potential buyers does not share your viewpoint.
While it is a nice addition to write a PDF file directly in Windows, it hardly anything important.
I am not saying that Windows 8 does not have some gimmicks over Windows 7..... I just question them being worth even 30 dollars... let alone full price.... and most importantly... I question that they are justification enough to annoy someone with the new GUI.
Sure you can learn it.... but why.... Why.......
Because MS GUI Dev Team took drugs? I have no intention to pay for their mistakes.
The removal of Aero and certain effects was made to allow Windows 8 to operate on low end hardware, like most mobile devices use.
The drawback of this move? Win 8 looks like a cheap toy...... that is acceptable on a mobile device.... but on my home desktop I rather put all that mighty calculation power to some good use.
Aero does look good, and with 7 they mostly fixed the hardware demand issues. Yes, Win 8 can look rather dull on mobile devices.... that is all fine and well. But to have such a look on powerful desktop PC... it is like ordering a 600 HP Porsche..... in dull gray.
As for keeping people from testing..... thats wrong.
We are keeping them from buying... because your "Testing" cost real money. And by buying it you - wrongly - signal to MS that you are indeed happy with it. Now if MS would offer a free test version...... but they dont.... and so the only way to make your disapproval known is not to buy it. Bad mouth propaganda..... does work this way in any other business.
Again, wrong! I do not have a touch screen and I use Win 8 the
same way as I did Win 7... with keyboard and mouse. What's more, I lose nothing using Win 8 this way on a
desktop. Touch may be useful on a tablet or phone, but I don't think many would [want to] use it on a desktop
PC... arm ache.
And you may say that people "correctly" think Win 8 is shitty, but really, judging a truly solid OS solely on its
appearance is truly moronic. Win 8 is far more secure and stable under the hood than Win 7 ever was/is. In the
10 months since I began using the beta versions I've not had one single crash, BSOD or freeze-up, etc, in Win 8.
I cannot say the same about Win 7 or any previous Windows version.
The funny thing is that a touch screen is the entire point of Windows 8.
Far more secure..... I doubt it..... Vista was sooo more secure than XP.... and Win 7 was far more secure than Vista.....
Oddly though, I still get the same ammount of help cries from other people asking me to clean their PC from the latest malware. And yes, they are mostly running Windows 7. On the other hand, my last virus infection is 6 years ago..... on XP under an administrator account, something that is - rightfully - frowned upon in informed circles.
Imho 80 % of the computer security problems sits in front of the monitor.
As for your crashes, I think that the above line does apply 100 %.
The last windows system that had a tendency to crash was Windows XP without SP1. Vista was slow but stable.... 7 is fast and stable..... so if Windows 8 is fast and stable is not much of an accomplishment.
Quoting tazgecko, reply 92Haven't seen anyone having a go at the OS, just the UI ... if you wish to call people
morons because they have an opinion on what's is broken and needs fixing, then I think you are more poorer for
I didn't call anyone a moron. What I said was that it is moronic to judge, condemn, ridicule Windows 8, a really
stable OS, purely on the basis of looks/the UI. I'm not fond of the Metro UI, either, but I see beyond that to use a
solid OS that does all I need and much, much more... it is far from broken. The fact I rarely see Metro, like
ONLY WHEN I call it up once in a blue moon, tells me that the whining and bitching about it is unnecessary. In
fact, much of it is pathetic and childish.....
The OS is Windows 7 with minor improvements. And a shitty GUI.
Windows 7 did not do all you need? No, the system itself is not broken, but the majority of people think that the GUI is.
The reality is, that for the 95 % majority of computer users.... the GUI IS
the operating system.
From a technical standpoint.... Linux is a far superior system compared to Windows. It is even free, so why has it a puny market share in the 1 % range? Quite simple:
For a very long time, Linux was a terminal based system with a rudimentary graphical user interface. It recieved a Windows like GUI later, but whenever something - even minor - went wrong you were pages deep in the console. And the average computer user (which is the most important buyer/user group) does not like a console very much.
- No Viruses
- No crashes
- and still nobody uses it.
The GUI is the most important part of an operating system for the enduser.... and if you mess it up, you are in big trouble.
Windows 8 IS Metro.... you say that you dont use it much..... so why buy Windows 8 and waste a lot of money?
IMHO, UI or no UI, there isn't/wasn't $40 worth of 'better' in
Windows 8 over Windows 7 so I kept what I have and like. If you like it, fine but stop belittling those who don't pee
all over themselves at the prospect of upgrading to it. Most of us are fine with waiting to see if MS pulls their
collective heads out of their collective orifices with the next OS.
@ #99 Wiz, I'm not going to bother with a reply to any of that. None of what you said answers anything I said
and.... never mind.
As for belittling anyone... nope, never directly said anything demeaning/derogatory to anyone. However, if the
shoe fits... is all I got to say to anyone who thinks I singled them out.
We're done now!
To be told the truth, does hurt, doesnt it?
Quoting starkers, reply 100nope, never directly said anything demeaning/derogatory to anyone. Only because
you are well aware of the site rules regarding that. On far more than one occasion, you have referred to those who
disagree with your opinion a bunch of uneducated, inexperienced, mis-informed whining blind sheep. Now we are
moronic as well.
THAT shoe doesn't fit me or many of the well informed long time Windows users who populate these forums. I
value almost all opinions but yours has become very biased and insulting.
Now we're done.
What he said.
Quoting Jafo, reply 94starkers....spend the time and watch the link in #84.
Seen it before... the bloke is a complete wanker. Unusable my arse! I've been using Win 8 for 10 months and
can do everything that I did on Win 7.
I'm out of here... the whining never stops.
Yes, you can do everything on Windows 8 you could do on Windows 7? And why should I upgrade again?
Dont found a reason? Well... guess what....
If such a large majority of people is "whining", then maybe... just maybe they are right.... and you are wrong.
That's just it. It is more secure than any previous MS OS (as
it well should be). It has better and more secure memory management, better power management and better
DEP. All detailed in that article I linked to in several threads already which never got a response. None of that
may interest you in the least and the GUI (as has been pointed out to me many times now) may be the most
important thing to folks around here. I can respect that and don't seek to change anyone's mind on that. I do
however seek the same respect for my position. That being the 'under-the-hood' advancements in Windows 8 are
very much real and important to me.
Nobody will argue against the fact that Windows did substantially become more resistant with every new version. Unfortunately, so far it did not change the frequency of which I have to give free support to the neighbourhood. Malware developers simple adapt, as they would adapt to any system. With sufficient knowledge, you can make Linux beg for mercy within 20 minutes.... but for now the linux people enjoy the - false - belief that they are invulnerable. It is merely a bit more difficult to harm that system.
And it is merely a bit more difficult to launch an successful attack against 7 than it is on XP.
Now, that does not mean that you should cease security patching.
But you should not expect miracles from it imho.
The other under the hood improvements may be good ones.... and important to you. I can respect your position, but my position is - as you have undoubtedly guessed - that said improvements do not justify price of buying and cost of learning the new GUI.
If you have a different opinion, that is perfectly fine, discussion is the point of a forum after all.
..... To me anyway, that says something.
It says, that Windows 8 was designed with mobile devices in mind. Remember the netbook boom and the prolonging of XPs life? Microsoft had no choice as running Vista on a netbook was like having a 50 HP car with a 3 ton trailer behind for driving.
Again. Hyper-V out of the box, Windows to go, App and IE tab
sandboxing, the better power and memory management to name a few may not be worth the $40 to you. I can
respect that. Can you respect that it is well worth the $40 for me to have my oldest machine running better than it
I can absolutly respect that.
Guys they're just operating systems. If it runs on your box and runs what you want to run and gets the job done,
all is good.
Indeed. But for MS, this truth means that the inclination of people to buy a new OS is on an all time low...... the old systems are still "good enough computing".
you ppl make se sick they have made some very EPIC innovations with windows 8 and just because a MINORITY
dont like it because its not plain anf boring you slag it off.
HOW ABOUT THIS _ DONT FUCKING BUY IT!!! - IF YOU DONT FUCKING LIKE IT DONT JUST SLAG IT
There is only one "epic" "innovation" in Windows 8..... the phone interface...... and it appears that the large majority of users does not like it. I am afraid you are in the minority.
We are not buying it, and now we warn other people about MS most recent failure, so they dont waste money on it. Something, that is in the interest of all mankind.... to be warned of products unworthy of their money.
Quoting DrJBHL, reply 121"Blue" is coming... suggesting MS sees the need to actually consider customer
More like "Blue" is coming... suggesting MS sees the need to actually garner more customer money.
There are rumours.... that instead of fixing the problem... Microsoft has the intention to drop the desktop alltogether. So Modern UI/Metro will be all that is left.
We will see if they dare to do that.
I have now also repeatedly stated that while there are certain
positives to Windows 8 that may only be of benefit at the enterprise level (windows to go, hyper-v, etc. etc.) the
other positives/advancements such as much better/smarter memory management, better power management,
more robust internal OS security and the fact that Windows 8 runs so much better on older hardware it is
painfully obvious are all things one can expect the average end-user might be interested in. I have provided a
thread in which I detailed my experience taking a notebook from 2005, which had shipped with XP Pro and over
the years of same task-use was reformatted to Vista Business, Windows 7 Pro and now Windows 8 Pro and
have discovered that this latest OS utilizes the old hardware from 2005 more efficiently which manifests as a
pretty obvious performance increase. No SSD's, no other hardware improvements done to that old notebook (not
even fan replacement) except an increase in HD size which happened during the notebook's Windows 7
reformat.We don't want to spend $40 to get better overall OS performance (among other things) but we'll spend
$100's on SSD's (yes I understand an SSD doesn't just speed up the OS)?
The problem is that the average end user does usually not buy a lone OS upgrade. Instead they buy a full blown system with a preinstalled OS. So he wont notice those advantages under most circumstances. In any case, imho for 40 $ it might have been interesting, but now for full price...... I cannot imagine that the old hardware runs that much faster.
Better memory management is very nice, but will the - average - end user really profit much from it? People keep using their old computers because they find their performance acceptable. In reality the average user (without gamers) does word processing, web browsing, music listening and video watching.
All stuff an aged CPU with 2 GB of RAM can handle with a bored yawn. All stuff you can do on cheap mobile device.
Nothing of that stuff will profit in any meaningful way from switching to a 4 Ghz Oktacore with 64 GB of RAM being operated by Windows 8.
And this is the main reason for the declining PC market.... Win 8 with is at least controversial user interface naturally does not help matters.
Quoting RedneckDude, reply 127
Quoting DrJBHL, reply 124
Quoting RedneckDude, reply 122
Quoting DrJBHL, reply 121"Blue" is coming... suggesting MS sees the need to actually consider customer desires.
More like "Blue" is coming... suggesting MS sees the need to actually garner more customer money.
Oddly enough... if customer needs and desires are satisfied, sales seem to increase.
My point is, I just bought 8, now I'm supposed to pay for Win 8 SP 1?
I'm not ready to BUY another OS. Blue should be a service pack.
Gotta be something wrong with the world when you can make money off a backwards operating system.
This is what happens when you have a Monopoly..... it significantly reduces the pressure the market can put onto the company.
If Windows 8 would have to be sold without being preinstalled on nearly every new PC or on a competive market, sales would be far worse. If people would have free choice of OS, I am betting that Windows 8 would sell to 3 % market share at best.
Also, a quick note of how Microsoft calculates sales:
- Microsoft creates new Windows version
- Microsoft sells 50000 licences to retailer A for 50000 PC from retailer A.
- Retailer A pays Microsoft for 50000 licenses.
- Microsoft states, that 50000 units have been sold.
- Retailer A sells 1000 PC with new Windows.
- Retailer A has 49000 windows licenses remaining that are not sold so far.
- Microsoft still claims that 50000 computers have been sold with windows..... although in reality only 1000 have.
nah, this is just the beta version of Windows 9.
A beta version you paid for... like some people paid for Vista, which was a Beta version of Windows 7.
First rule of buying something from Mircrosoft. Dont buy until at least the first service pack has been released. Or, dont buy unless the "new" Windows version IS the servicepack.