Lets face it Win 8 Sux

neone6

Join Date 12/2010

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Quoting Roloccolor,

reply 50

But personaly i dont miss Aero that much its a matter of taste but it could or can be reimplemented with some workaround.

I certainly hope so

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Quoting Frogboy,

reply 33

With RT apps,it's always a guessing game as to whether you can let it go in the background or not.

for example, get an RT app that is supposed to catalog images. Load it up and it says "cataloging images, please wait.." So I go to another app and do something. When I return, i find the app was paused because it wasn't The active app. So no, I don't see RT as a good platform for PC users.

I'd never say it's perfect for everything, but for little apps that run in the background (IM or music) it wastes a lot less resources.

And for games it's fantastic.

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Quoting moshi,

reply 49

not that shocking. why would the Office team spend time and resources to develop for a not existing market after all.

so when would you expect a Windows Runtime Office? the next version should be 2016 or 2017 if they keep their release schedule. or will they just ignore WinRT as third-party developers most likely will?

actually i like some approaches of WinRT (single-folder install, no access to file system by default). i just hope nobody at MS considers it to be "finished".

Exactly. Sarcasm.

Honestly? I don't expect a WinRT based Office at all. Certainly not anytime in the near future, and 2016 or 2017 isn't in the near future so there is that. OneNote is already available for it so I could be wrong.

Of course they don't. Was win32 finished twenty years ago?

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

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Quoting starkers,

reply 14

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 3
starkers... we've been mates since the dinosaurs were eggs, and I know you're absolutely correct. I figure my days with Windows will end with Windows 7, and from then on it'll be Linux.

I really cannot understand the sentiment. Honestly, Windows 8 is a superior OS and leaves Win 7 wanting in several ways. Not only is it faster and more fluent/fluid, it presents greater opportunities, such as complete syncing with other Windows platforms [phones, tablets] without having to jump through hoops to establish a network, etc. And Linux???? Combined with them stale old IOS devices, yer iPhone an' iPad, ye'll truly be in tha dinosaur age, won'y ye? Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Linux... I tried Ubuntu and liked it... and unlike another company we all love to hate, they're not putting out employee suicide nets, rather than improve working conditions.

Actually, I want less communication between devices. Just from a security pov, the apps might not be as secure as one would like, and while they might only [virus/trojan] affect one device, they can be transmitted to others via the synced devices.

Linux Ubuntu has a great deal to be said for it, not least of which is customizability. Hankers runs and loves Ubuntu... and that's a very good recommendation for me... especially since one can run many Windows programs (not so great with Ps) on Windows within Linux.

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kona0197

Join Date 02/2003

+84

Quoting starkers,

reply 14

I mean, we use Windowblinds and other customisation software because MS failed bigtime to make any iteration of Windows aesthetically pleasing.

What's wrong with the default look of Windows? I like it. Always have since XP.

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 55

Quoting starkers, reply 14I mean, we use Windowblinds and other customisation software because MS failed bigtime to make any iteration of Windows aesthetically pleasing.

What's wrong with the default look of Windows? I like it. Always have since XP.

The same thing that is "wrong" with a plain white car with no hubcaps or nice rims. Nothing, if all you want is to get there. Some folks just like to get there with a bit more style.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 55

What's wrong with the default look of Windows? I like it. Always have since XP.

Yes, but we know you have absolutely no taste...

Wincustomize.com is ALL ABOUT GUI skinning....aka altering/correcting the existing MS inability to demonstrate aesthetics.

It's plainly obvious that the people at Redmond, when regarding 8 as a desktop OS simply looked at the people at Michigan and said 'no worries....they can always fix it for us....' ....

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Quoting Wizard1956,

reply 57

Quoting kona0197, reply 55Quoting starkers, reply 14I mean, we use Windowblinds and other customisation software because MS failed bigtime to make any iteration of Windows aesthetically pleasing.

What's wrong with the default look of Windows? I like it. Always have since XP.

The same thing that is "wrong" with a plain white car with no hubcaps or nice rims. Nothing, if all you want is to get there. Some folks just like to get there with a bit more style.

I think that's where the disconnect comes in...

Some people who want to "get there in style" think their ride looks like this:

When the rest of us see this:

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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Quoting jackswift85,

reply 58

Some people who want to "get there in style" think their ride looks like this:

Except it's the first pic that actually DOES have the 'style'. In fact ...you could compare collectible/resale prices of each and get a clearer idea....

'most' horrid car modding is done by pre-pubescent idiots infatuated with the NFS franchise.....

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Quoting Jafo,

reply 60

Quoting jackswift85, reply 58Some people who want to "get there in style" think their ride looks like this:

Except it's the first pic that actually DOES have the 'style'.

That's the joke... Some people may think they have a stylish sweet ride with some rims and hubcaps, but in reality everyone else sees a terrible thing. The first car that popped into my head when thinking about great style was a '66 Goat, so there you go...

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Quoting Jafo,

reply 35

Quoting starkers,
reply 33
A person I spoke with at Microsoft Sydney

The tea lady...

No, it was a support person who was assisting me with a purchasing issue, and due to there being a delay in some information he required, there was time to chat a little, and me being the inquisitive one, probed him for answers on Win 7 and 8, the direction Microsoft is taking.

Quoting Jafo,

reply 35

XP survived supported for a decade. 7 will likely do the same....so 2015 is pure bull.

And here we go again, the "I'm afraid Win 7 will disappear" dance. Nobody said Win 7 was going was going away in 2015. As I stated previously, support will start winding down towards the end of 2014, meaning non-essential updates will begin to cease, and by mid-2015 Win 7 will continue to receive security updates but that's all. So how you get that it's going be fully retired out of that beats me. Put another way, as a businessman, would you keep throwing money at old products when you have something that's new and improved? Exactly, and Microsoft simply wants to pool its resources to embrace the future of computing, not the past.

Quoting Jafo,

reply 35

The only reason I'll be loading 8 is to keep up to speed with SD's stuff....no other reason what-so-ever.

...and it won't be on this desktop... I actually need an interface that works...

Now this just says to me that you've not even installed Win 8, much less tried it/given it a fair go. Yup, it's deja vu all over again... the "Vista's a pig of an OS and Win 8's no better" dance.

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if the people saying this kind of thing were actually qualified to do so, with at least some quality time to get to know the OS, but alas. it's the same old thing in most cases: "My cousin's sister works with a guy who knows somebody whose sister's boyfriend said it was no good because his boss's son said it sucked shite."

Like I said earlier, all this pissing and moaning about Win 8 is aggravating to say the least, particularly when the loudest gripers have had little or no experience to qualify their comments. More annoying will be when Win 9 is released, Win 8 with a couple of refinements, and all the detractors come out singing its praises, saying it's the best thing since sliced bread. It happened with Vista to Win 7, and it's happening again.

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Quoting starkers,

reply 62

More annoying will be when Win 9 is released, Win 8 with a couple of refinements, and all the detractors come out singing its praises, saying it's the best thing since sliced bread. It happened with Vista to Win 7, and it's happening again.

Glad to know I'm not the only person who thinks this...

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Quoting Seleuceia,

reply 62

Quoting starkers, reply 62 More annoying will be when Win 9 is released, Win 8 with a couple of refinements, and all the detractors come out singing its praises, saying it's the best thing since sliced bread. It happened with Vista to Win 7, and it's happening again.

Glad to know I'm not the only person who thinks this...

Yeah, and if you want to know who the biggest whingers are, start a thread like this and they'll come crawling out of the woodwork, armed with more 'Windows 8 sux shite' comments than you can poke a stick at. Like my dear old granny used to say: some people aren't happy unless they're miserable/have something to complain about.

Hmmm, human nature, it's stranger than fiction.

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

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Quoting starkers,

reply 61

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if the people saying this kind of thing were actually qualified to do so, with at least some quality time to get to know the OS, but alas. it's the same old thing in most cases: "My cousin's sister works with a guy who knows somebody whose sister's boyfriend said it was no good because his boss's son said it sucked shite."

Mark, I have been running Windows 8 through the Developer's Preview, the Consumer Preview, the Enterprise Eval, and now the Windows 8 Pro release. I even bought a touch screen PC so I could experience it that way.

I don't talk a lot about it because I'm not at all enthused by it.

Overall, I think it pretty much sucks. I now only use it as a toy/learning tool.

And, like Jafo, to stay on top of the Stardock stuff for it.

That said, some still like XP, and even worse, some like a Mac. So, if you like 8, I'm happy fer ya, but I think I'm as qualified as the next guy, or you, to say it sucks.

Say Happy Birthday to Shaunna for me, mate.

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

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Quoting starkers,

reply 61

More annoying will be when Win 9 is released, Win 8 with a couple of refinements, and all the detractors come out singing its praises, saying it's the best thing since sliced bread. It happened with Vista to Win 7, and it's happening again.

7 is so much better than Vista ever came close to being. It's like you're comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges.

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tazgecko

Join Date 05/2008

+177

Ok ... I'll give my unqualified opinion why the 'metro' UI has no purpose on my computers, not Win8 in general ... because it's just an OS which does what an OS should do and does it well, which what Win7 does and, as Anthony R had said, why bother to upgrade ...

For me a 'desktop' on a computer has one use, that is to move data around visually in the form of icons. This is my workplace ... uncompleted projects files lay around my desktop, when they are done a quick drag/drop to a linked project folder and then onto the next. The folder stay on my desktop until the project is done and then the link is deleted. At times my desktop is totally icon free and usually a time for kicking back and relaxing. I've been using GUI's like this for around twenty years, since I had a book on the GEM OS and how to use your desktop. Everything is saved onto my desktop for editing/storage until I'm finished with it...

All my programs are a fast click away on a launcher and it's not uncommon to have multiple programs running while I'm working. I do not want to move away from my workplace just so I can launch a program.

My laptop, which has Win8, I got because I needed to write/edit documents while on the move. I've only have MS Word and Acrobat installed ... why would I want a touch UI on it?.

'Metro' does not enhance my workplace, if anything, it gets in the way.

P.S. The whole move icons around a lot, is the reason why I love Fences ... Thank you, StarDock

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

+183

The metro ui is rubbish. Outside of that, I have no complaints about the OS. Everything works, I got the OS for < $30. Give me good tech for $30 and I'm not going to bitch. Windows 7 was the best OS I've ever owned. Again, for $30, I'm not going to talk much smack about a POS ui. I click a button after I launch and I have my desktop. If you find it's worse than this, you might be doing something wrong. Be happy that m$ is dumb and hooking up companies like SD up with money to add a start button back, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't SD be really grateful for the bad UI?

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kona0197

Join Date 02/2003

+84

Quoting RedneckDude,

reply 64

That said, some still like XP, and even worse, some like a Mac.

What is so bad about XP? What is so bad about a Mac? I don't understand the attitude.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1753

Quoting starkers,

reply 61

Now this just says to me that you've not even installed Win 8, much less tried it/given it a fair go. Yup, it's deja vu all over again... the "Vista's a pig of an OS and Win 8's no better" dance.

I mean, it wouldn't be so bad if the people saying this kind of thing were actually qualified to do so,

I'm qualified enough, thankyou...I've 'coded' GUIs - shells...via Litestep [and older - Dos ones]...and know a shit interface when I see one.

I have also run every Windows OS there ever was, and am intelligent enough to differentiate between the bullshit and the hype.

Rejigging an OS to load a desktop fast does not make a faster OS, only the pretence of such.

Hopefully [for all our sakes] the actual 8 kernel IS an evolution of and beyond [better than] 7, but the shell is utter asinine rubbish.

Good luck to MS for wanting to have all their systems share a common architecture...but as with ALL 'architecture' the common is utter shit...and I should know...I've been dealing with it for 40 years.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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And again...I'd stock a hell of a lot more credence in someone whose opinion of an OS didn't vacillate from both extremes...once it was rubbish...now you say the sun shines out of its arse.

You can't have it both ways and expect any credibility.

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kona0197

Join Date 02/2003

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Yet the fact remains that you still haven't loaded Windows 8 and tried it Jafo.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

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Quoting kona0197,

reply 71

Yet the fact remains that you still haven't loaded Windows 8 and tried it Jafo.

Wrong.

What in God's name makes you think that?

You're as bad as starkers.

Between you both you couldn't scrounge up a clue. I didn't take one look at 8 and declare the end of life as we know it. Exactly what level of idiot are you classifying me as?

Did I like Vista? No. Did I install it? Yes. Did I have legitimate resaon to declare it uncooked/half-baked and a mess? Yes.

Did I install Me? yes. Did I have legitimate reason to declare it a disaster? yes. [is there anyone who refutes that? no.]

Now it's 8 ...and all of a sudden I simply MUST be parrotting others' opinions rather than my own.

Thankyou for the undying confidence in my professional experience....

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Quoting Jafo,

reply 73

Now it's 8 ...and all of a sudden I simply MUST be parrotting others' opinions rather than my own.

Thankyou for the undying confidence in my professional experience....

It's not that, simply that it happens so often...there are tons of people who say they hated it until they actually tried it. One of my best friends among them.

It's a charged topic and I do wish some people on both sides would take a step back from the combative stances on it and just debate it on its' own merit.

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Fuzzy Logic

Join Date 05/2002

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W8 is not the end of the world, you can always upgrade to W7

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

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Quoting Jafo,

reply 35

The only reason I'll be loading 8 is to keep up to speed with SD's stuff....no other reason what-so-ever.

...and it won't be on this desktop..

The wording of this suggests you have not as yet installed Win 8... as in "I'll be loading...."

Hence my previous comment regarding 'qualification'... cos there's a difference between "I'll be"... and I have.

@ RedneckDude. Yeah, I know that you have given Win 8 a whirl, and I know you don't like it. However, my comment was not pointed at you or anyone else who has at least tried the OS for some reasonable time. No, I was referring to the gathering mob who simply decided to jump on the bandwagon purely to have a bitch about something... and there's plenty of them just itching to have a whinge about it for no good reason, other than to bump their gums. So when I say that I'm annoyed at Win 8 detractors, it's that kind of person who's pissing me off.

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