well, the choice was between free market and socialism. I'm a capitalist, was self employed for 20 years and still believe that everyone should have health care, quality education and help where/when needed. I don't condone abuse.

the free market system has destroyed the economy and our health care system. It costs me $100.00 just to show up for an appointment at the hospital. when I had my hip replaced they charged me $1,000.00 for drugs I didn't use. thank goodness my wife works for a company that believes in being socially responsible to provide health insurance for their employees.

Unions: they have got themselves in a pickle. they always have to get something for their members even when the economy is not functioning good. it's unfortunate because they have made a great difference and can probably be credited with raising up the middle class. My Dad was in the dock workers strikes back in the early 1900's. The unions helped to create a living wage, stopped sweat shops and child labor abuses. but I guess if you're anti-union it's okay to put my kid, but not yours, to work at 12 instead of going to school to get an education.

Hmm.. as suspected, this thread is not faring well, for the current 'leadership'

Lets talk again soon, I'm sure they just need a few more months.

I'm all out of countries..

and Palin will never run, she risks losing her nightly spot on Greta Van Sustren.

I truly believe that when America falls... and.. it could... this planet.. is done.

No, the sky isn't falling, humanity is.....fast.

Man, I love my Timex Ironman watch.. the only watch I ever had, I haven't been able to destroy.

Understandable, but the post was actually just asking, who was better off, 3 years into hope and change.

I would have capitalized hope and change, I'm just weary I may get taxed over it.... or regulated... heh... even.. MODerated 

Well, at least we all go down, knowing my prediction was correct

Yes we are divided and divided we shall stay.

You are right about one thing V, I have a lot of anger in me. As I said this is a war.

Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon look like reasonable men compared to these Republicons. That's how bad it is.

Go ahead and say what you will about Wisconsin and Ohio. You should be scared. Despite Citizens United pouring in millions of dollars on advertising, thank you Supreme Court for letting corporations buy elections, the Dems won back 2 seats. In Ohio 1.3 million people signed a petition so that the Tea Party/Koch Brothers agenda there can be voted on and hopefully out.

Yes, say what you will about the Wall Street demonstrators being smelly hippies and Mike Moore. Moore has never hid the fact that he likes capitalism. He's benefited from it. I've benefited from it. As I said I am not a Socialist or a Communist. Moore points out the truth about a lot of things and has the guts to confront people. I admire his intelligence and wit. Compare that to the idiocy and lies of Glen Beck.

Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch and we all know what an honest company he runs. Wire tapping and computer hacking.

No I don't live in New Jersey, thank God. I live in a state that has a Republican Governor but he at least is somewhat reasonable. He is not a CON. I live in a district that has a Democratic member of the house who is a good honest man. In New Jersey, Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida the agenda is to privatize, bust the Unions and give it all away to the wealthy. Screw the middle class.

The Tea Party started out with good intentions but was quickly seized by powerful right wing forces that saw it as an instrument to chip away at the fundamental rights of the people. Destroy and privatize Social Security and Medicare. Strip away environmental regulations so that the Koch Brothers can pollute at will. Deny climate change. Deny science itself in order to advance an evil and greedy agenda. Koch has pored a lot of money into the Tea Party. Koch have a lot of Republicons in their pockets.

http://inspirationgreen.com/koch-brothers-products.html

So go ahead talking about freedom and all that. In reality you are being played by rich powerful men who only care about lining their pockets with more profit.

Oh, I should mention one other thing. Thanks to George Bush I am not better off than I was 3 years ago. Bush was the worst President in American history. He did so much damage to our economy that it'll take many many years to recover from. We may never fully recover from the damage he caused. Wall Street, the banksters and the corporations said, "George, deregulate." George said "Ok Boys, go at it!" They did. The thieves took our money and ruined the economy. They took our future and the damage they have done is far from being repaired. They are crooks and liars.

Quoting tazgecko,

reply 112

Something you might be interested in, Chasbo Beast File : Koch Brothers, yes ... they are down here

it's only Viewable from within Australia is the error I get...  well the Video anyway

Yup. The bottom didn't fall out of Wall Street during Obama's Tenure but during GB's. When those two mortgage houses went belly up they took the whole damn planet with them. At least one government fell and a few more are trying they're dammdest not to...Greece, Ireland, Portugal. This is what Obama has inherited. You show me any politico worth his salt, if there is such a thing, that will have an easy time trying to put all that back together. Think Humpty Dumpty.

True enough. Not every country was severely affected. Israel was not, but is now facing the protests of many years of social neglect.

I wonder why the two 'spheres' can't be more balanced in a society? Of course, 'balance' depends on where one's views are, doesn't it.    

I think the "There goes humanity" is a bit exaggerated, John. We'll make out, and hopefully get to a more balanced society.

If you live in the USA, I'm sorry but the US isn't even close to the top(bottom) of the list. According to both Forbes and This site there are many countries that are worse. You are free to move to one  of those if you wish. I'll stay here in Illinois. Sure, the politicians here are crooks but they can't steal what I don't have.  Besides, things will get better once Gov Quinn sells the state to the Chinese. Maybe I can get a job making chopsticks too.

A Chicago Democrat for Pres? What the hell did we think we were going to get? Illinois has the best politicians  anyones money can buy.

Hmm.. played how? I have nothing.. they can't take what I dont have.. No one is playing me. I know how to look around me, look at facts, statistics, make my own judgments.

Fact is, this economy is in the crapper, and under current policies is NOT recovering. Unemployment is NOT dropping. Nothing Obama is doing, is helping anyone I know get work.

He's had his chance, he failed.

Time to look for new solutions and honestly, I dont care if its a rich powerful man, or a Ghetto raised entrepreneur that lifts us up as a nation again, ALL I care about is.. someone does.

I don't listen to much talk radio, just while taking the wife to work, Fox news stays on my tv behind me, and obviously I can't turn that off for a week, A week with no Megan Kelly?

lol.

Its not the media driving my thought process, its everyday things, price of gas, everyone I know looking for work, grocery prices, the air of entitlement that permeates every corner of our society, general despair etc etc... hard to ignore things or not think or talk about them when it is all around you, everyday.

It's time to start turning things around, It's time for a real change and I dont mean another flip from DEM to GOP.

Ii really do hope, that someone emeres with some real solutions, with a can do, will do attitude.

This country isn't dead yet, It just needs some new, strong leadership.

Common ground at last

Truth is, I'm WAY more about person than party.. and I fully believe, someone will emerge soon.. not a savior, just the right person, at the right time.

a LOT of folks, thought that was Obama, unfortunately, to me it seems, he was lifted up SO high, failure was inevitable.

Has 'None of the above' been added to the ballots yet?