Very sensitive of you sir.

What are his goals according to you? Do you have a problem with bringing jobs to the cities and the ghettos where people need them? Do you have a problem with social and economic justice? Civil rights? Job trainig? Support? In Becks video, it shows the man stating..that's what he wants to do for society. What in the hell are you going on about??

In Becks own video....that vstyler linked me to..the man says he is stilla 'revolutionary'...NOT a communist.

As I stated elsewhere, Yeah. The guy is a revolutionary. He has some amazing ideas on getting people back to work and fixing the cities. The machine you're reading this on was first concieved by a few revolutionary's. And the software. You gonna burn it if they out themselves as commies tomorrow?

Methods. Who hasn't had to change their methods? You still have yet to show me what the goals are that you have a problem with. You still haven't shown me what Beck has you so scared about. That's what all of this seems to be about, 'What Beck has me afraid of.' All he throws out is propaganda. He runs his little 'slanderous campaign ads' in sound bites and half facts and truths. The one Vstyler linked me to was the best example of it yet. It touched on stuff I mentioned and again..AGAIN left out the whole story. It talks about his arrest but left out it was a wrongful arrest and that it was dismissed and that he turned around and sued their stupid asses and won. Then it proceeds to tear down a civil rights worker because she worked...worked with a communist group to advance her civil rights. Like we worked with the communists in WWII to secure our freedom.

Check out the Beck II thread and catch up. I hate repeating this shit.

Debt of gratitude. Someone can bite the fattest part of my white ass first.

Viva La Revolution, my friend.

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Are you refining your defintion of 'all along' from the logical assumption that you meant from the very beginning when Chrysler said 'Shit, we fucked up. Can we borrow a few bucks?'  And how, besides the fact that it happened can you prove this intent.

Even in a court of law..intent has to be proven. Intent is not confirmed by the final outcome. It's the state of a persons mind that directs his or hers actions.

pretty amazing for 'scary fucking stupid'.

Congress failed to pass the damn bill. Obama did what Bush did before him. Obama is doing what he told the people that elected him he would do. End the bureaucracy. If congress had their way, they'd still be voting on it today. Cause some buttmunch would want to sneak in some new gun regulation or water rights for his district.  Blame Chrysler. Go to the source. Ask them why they mismanged billions in loans and investmnents. Ask them about the bloated bonuses and company getaways and jets. Hell, the shareholders were the only ones making out while they layed off 60k employees. Ask them about that.

Nice. I'm surprised you didn't throw in a 'Hussein'

Scary....

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." G.W. Bush

Scary fucking stupid...

"I am like Howard Beale. When he came out of the rain and he was like, none of this makes any sense. I am that guy."  Glenn Beck

He admits he's the mad prophet of the airways. And it ended so nicely for Beale.

You got me. I was tired.

What I meant was end the 'stalemates'. As for the Bureacrocy...I don't care if he appoints another 34 czars if it fixes the health system.

I'm glad you are amused. A sense of humor shows you're still sane. I stand by what I've said.  And repeat what I said elsewhere..

Based on your OWN logic..Beck admitting he read Mein Kampf makes him a Nazi Socialist

Based on your OWN logic..His reasons for reading it are bullshit because all you care about is the fact that he read it.

That is the so called 'logic' you keep applying when you post your clips for his videos that play like campaign ads that highlight ONLY what they want you to hear. And you gobble it up and regurgitate it like it's GOSPEL.

McCarthy was eventually censured because he couldn't substantiate his claims. Beck will be to.

I could not let this gem go. While America preachs free trade, here in New Zealand, we actually practice what we preach. NZ's unemployment rate has been at least a percentage point smaller than the US for at least 5 years. Why weren't all our jobs shipped overseas? Why is our argicultural sector flourishing, while America's needs life (price) supports?

Politic in all countries is just a points scoring match, America seems to take the sport to a whole new level. This thread seems to conform it. Democrats (Republican) howl and scream about a corrupt Republian (Democrat) politician, they are oddly silence when it is a politician from their side. The differences between the both partys is of simliar size as the difference of Coke and Pepsi. But still I am yet to see either side criticise their own guy.

I suppose that politics for you, not a rational debate any where in sight.

I haven`t read all the post`s here, I`m just going to comment on Glenn Beck.  I`m Canadian, I`m a conservative.  I used to watch Glenn Beck every night when he was on CNN`s Headline news.  9/10, I found myself agreeing with everything he said.  I felt he made compelling argument`s for every one of his issue`s.  He spoke of things I wish my own government would adopt, I liked his direction of thought.

Since then, Glenn has moved to Fox News.  Fox News is not a part of the cable package I subscribe too.  There is not a chance I`m going to pay a couple dollars a month more to have access to that channel.  Bill O`Reilly saw to that. Since Beck has moved to Fox News, Some of his word`s are making my skin crawl.  His comments on Obama, The supposed creation of a civil army and comparison`s to natz germany are sickening.

Glenn Beck used to bring forth very interesting subject`s and issue`s to discuss.  It now looks as if he`s become a conservative attack dog.  His show is taking issue`s and twisting them to suit his political message.  He was alway`s anti Obama on CNN.  Not like the garbage he`s shoveling now.  The "Oligarhy" thing, Anyone can put words togeather and choose letter`s to make another word.  It`s an alphabet.

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I just listened to the Glenn Beck radio chat about health care.  The supposed lottery in Canada to see a doctor is complete BULLSHIT.  Anytime I`ve needed to see a doctor, I`ve had an appointment and was seen by a  doctor within a week.

Po, refrain from using the word logic when posting.  I can't take you seriously when you're butchering the english language so thoroughly.

Reading something, and forming political organizations to implement it are two entirely different things.  One is self education, something you should try at least once before you get your cradle to the grave, one is political activism.  To be active towards a cause, one has to act, not just read about it.

I'm in the kill em all and let God sort em out camp.  I'm as right wing as it gets without being an off his rockers loony toon that wants to return to what we had before the civil war, I may be off my rockers though.  There's one Senator I don't want to personally castrate and bleed dry, he votes no on damn near everything.  If I had to let another live, it would be Lieberman, so take your media centric view and stuff it.  There's a reason the republicans have lost three election cycles in a row despite having a population that identifies as conservative.  They aren't, and we know it.  If they'd lost because the country had shifted liberal, our messiah wouldn't be tanking below 50% before he's even accomplished any of his three catastrophic fuckups.

Location is everything.  Before crying bullshit, actually learn about the subject instead of using your own personal experience as the only guide.  You're one person out of millions.  Gander, NF is the source of the news about lottery systems for physician access.  They have almost no doctors in some of the rural areas, it's become quite the problem here in the US in states like Massachussets as well.

Also, he's a libertarian.  They're like conservatives, except not.  Sort of like the republicans are supposed to be conservatives, except aren't, but socially instead of fiscally.  Perhaps you're just flying off your rocker because he's ragging on the democrats now for the same things he was ragging on Bush for?

I couldn't stand his continuous "I'm not a reporter" dribble, so I never watched him on CNN.  I'm not a retarded three year old, so when someone starts telling me the obvious over and over, I behave like I'm being treated and throw shit at the tv.

Beck doesn't have to report both sides, It's his show, however he does frequently rail against what bush did, and against republicans but he doesn't have to.

He is anti-govt. not anti democrat.

your saying that if he doesn't give each side equal time then what he says about one side is factually incorrect somehow?

Now I'm crying bullshit.

Reporting both sides is not always good journalism. It gives rise to absurd arguments like the birther conspiracy and the whole "Bush did 9/11" thing. If I say that the world is round, good journalism doesn't mean finding someone who thinks it's flat and interviewing them to counterbalance my opinion.

The problem with Glenn Beck is his theatrics and his network. He's on a self-titled news network but instead of informing people he's enraging and scaring them. If he were on a different station that'd be fine, but when you're on Fox News and you go around digging up race war nonsense and convincing people the government is trying to kill them (unless the government actually were, which it's not right now) you're not a legit source of information.

When I watch Olberman I get similarly turned off. There's also some fat guy on CNN who's very abrasive, I'll try to dig up his name. I'm sure you guys don't like them, but Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart have much better approaches. I'm even not saying they have better information, but their approach is much more informative and is much less focused on agitating their viewers.

Stewart might require a bit of explanation. His show is a comedy show and the majority of information he offers is not presented in an informative way, but his extended interviews are excellent. There's a reason why Bill Kristol and other conservatives you'd expect to be enormously unpopular with Stewart's audience seek out his show.

How many time do u need to shoot this guy... understand, I agree with some of the things you say regarding how he goes about things.

Having said that, really doesn't matter to me, what engrosses me and I'm sure a majority of the audience is what he presents and not how it is presented.

Obama should take comfort that Beck does sometimes come off this way and if Beck was more savvy he would take a more direct, less theatrical route to his ends.

Right now what credibilty he has is definately stiffled some by his presentation. He's shooting himself and giving rise to rampant blogosphere criticism by acting out the way he does.

Perhaps he thinks the facts alone will not substantiate the show and feels compelled to dramatize it, perhaps, but I think any show presenting the same information in a more sane manor would warrant as much viewership.

reeeeeeegardless, it matter not to me, i watch for the punchlines , not the dramatic build up to them.

Once one seperates the two and starts basing their decisions on the material presented, to me at least.. I see a lot of things I do not like.

I'll say this too... There are poor people all over the world, It's a fact of life.. everyone does not get to share the pie. Deal with it.

I would rather live in a country, poor, (and I am) but with a chance at making it big (Via hard work) than any country where the Govt. puts limits on how much I can make and breasts feeds me my choice of doctors, rights and liberties.

Beck is NOT the only one talking about it.