I'm not sorry you posted it, Wiz. I thought it helped deal with everything that's going on. I found many of the comments fascinating. I apologize if you feel I hijacked it. It wasn't meant as FUD, imho. You can't please everyone. Perhaps people learned about a topic angering and bewildering folks...perhaps not.

I find the current angry/paranoid atmosphere disturbing and unjustifiable.

I also agree with Karen. The fact it wandered OT isn't necessarily a bad thing. We are a Community. The freest and most respectful around these days.

OMG...if you see something with your own two eyes it MUST be true!!!!!!!

Whatever happened to the adage..."Don't beleive anything you hear and only half of what you see"?

Second-hand experience cannot be trusted,

And first-hand isn't as 'correct' as often as you'd "like" it to be.

Grow balls....social awareness....and a brain.

It helps....

That stuff is in the version of the bill that PASSED through the senate committee, so don't say it isn't anywhere. Suppose that it is; what is your view on imposing dietary and lifestyle choices on citizens? You didn't answer that.

President Obama has said himself that he wants a single-payer system, and that means the government. He is sly enough to know that he can't get it all at once, as he has also stated. The people that are screaming have read from the proposed bills, and are making specific complaints by reading passages to their congressmen, who from appearances, often haven't read it themselves.

I like your idea of tort reform, and unnecessary visits, some of which are necessitated by the fear of malpractise suits.

Some CEO's are worth millions of dollars, but to me most of them aren't. Still, it's up to the shareholders to rein them in. The company belongs to the people that bought the shares, not me or you or the government.

I'm curious why you don't want to deal with insurance companies directly. Does it have anything to do with them imposing conditions on how you treat patients? You've been around a long time, probably before insurance. How did all that start, and turn into what it is today?

Thanks.

willi: read my #68. I addressed that food, etc. stuff. I say if you want to do unhealthy things, do them...but pay a higher premium for that 'privilege'. Just like car accidents.

Also, nothing has passed a committee yet. There are a bunch of proposals. There's the gang of 6 negotiating. Really.

The whole point is I have no health care. It has nothing to do with making it better.

1. It has no number, therefore it isn't a Bill. It's still being negotiated.

2. What's wrong with having information about healthy choices being disseminated? That's called Preventive Medicine, and Education. It also talks about surveys to evaluate if it's working. That sounds awful....like smoking/tobacco cessation. Doctors shouldn't do that. Never. Nor should they inform people about better food habits and exercise. No one needs that stuff.

I really don't understand what you're objecting to, but I have to get ready for work....pm me, ok?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090821/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_poll

Like... oh my God.. I'm like totally like surprised n like stuff

I don't believe President Obama has said that, but candidate Obama sure as hell did. He changes his spots so often that you can't tell what the hell he really stands for.
Now, before you Obamanites get your panties in a twist I can tell you that I would say the same thing about any other person sitting in his seat. They are all worthless liars.

All politicians are the same regardless of their party. What just sickens me to no end is the fact that these people will not give us true representation. Honesty is nothing more than a word to them. "By the people and for the people" has long since died, if in fact it ever existed in anything more than printed words. At the end of the day it doesn't matter one bit what WE think or feel. The politicians and those in power are going to do what THEY want to do. I've heard clips of various senators and congressional members ( both parties ) state in no uncertain terms that they don't care what their constituants think. They will vote according to what THEY think is best.

It's too bad that " we the people" waste our time bickering back and forth about this kind of thing. The politicians aren't supporting us. "We the people" only have each other for support....

I couldn't find anything on that. There's some things on sponsor's possibly removig their ads.

I can buy that. It's an act

I'm getting the impression that you don't want answer the question. Nobody's objecting to the dissemination of useful information. Read the language: “for the implementation, evaluation, and dissemination of proven evidence-based community preventive health activities in order to reduce chronic disease rates, address health disparities, and develop a stronger evidence-base of effective prevention programming.” and  assessing and implementing worksite wellness programming and incentives. Do you see the word implementing? That means to carry out something, not advise.

Here's more:

In carrying out subparagraph (A), the eligible entity shall, with respect to residents in the community, measure--
"(i)                 decreases in weight;
"(ii)                increases in proper nutrition;
"(iii)               increases in physical activity;
"(iv)               decreases in tobacco use prevalence;
"(v)                other factors using community-specific data from the Behavioral Risk Surveillance Survey; and
"(vi)               other factors as determined by the Secretary [at HHS]."

The word measure also requires an action that requires contact with someone. Look what they will be doing. They'll be required to have regular and frequent contact with a person, which will require an enormous amount of people who will cost a fortune to maintain. That's how they are going to save money?

I heard it was: doc (who me?) blew in his ear...O said, "Why'd you do that, doc?" doc said, "A refill".

willi...it'll all be done thru my new Program: "Cash for Chunkers".