Philly....I'm not advocating anyone buy anything....in fact, I posted (here) about a site for free software just the other day.

I'm just hoping the Gallery makes it to the new WC, in light of the renewed interest in it...

Also, I know from talking with WG how much work goes into the skinning, and also wanted these folks art to be recognized as well: I felt badly that the new submissions haven't really been noticed...

In all honesty I have no idea who has both or either/or programs, and like you don't believe there's any real way to find out.

That was another reason I put this post in 'Skinning' and not 'Community'....A chacun son goût ...

I for one couldn't imagine doing without ODNT.Since is a "Do it all and then some" package,I've felt no need for other customizing software. I rarely even use the Vista sidebar.DX does it better ,with more style and far less resources. This in no way detracts from the great things  done by and for other software,just that I have no need for them myself.My 2 cents.

No doubt the current Financial situation with proable Recession and even talk of a Depression has had an effect of every aspect of daily life and will not doubt make it's presence known here.

You can make an argument that if having a computer customizing the desktop environment can help pass the hours.  Then of course many folks have had to make the decision that they cannot afford to pay for internet access.

You have the Government passing Bailout and Economic Stimulus Bills, businesses holding out thier hands for help for what amounts to on thier part bad business decisions and then you read that too many folks have gone back to establishing saving account and the folks in the Government are getting ready to be blamed them for the failed economy.  How dare anyone try to save money in these harsh financial times.  Spend, spend, spend.

It really is a mess, it's not something that can be ignored, Big Government and Big Businees has more than likely set up at least this Country for failure if not others.

Just my personal opinion here, worth at least as much as everyone's elses

Oh, have a great day.

I utilize both ODNT and Winstep.  Anything useful as long as it has a hidden state.  I like my desktop clean.  XPs quick launch bar has been handy for me also.  I do use Desktop Sidebar quite often also.  Mike is so good with that program, I wish he would skin more to match a lot of the more current and/or popular blinds.

My 3 cents.  Inflation Wiz!

Agreed.  I'm trying to hide my computer!

Heck yeah!!!

I really wanted this to be a positive post. 

It is and the more Winstep skins the better.  

Thanks John! Wait till you see what I got planned for your Stargate skin!

cplair, DrJBHL opened up the thread in reply #5. 

I think I covered the original post and continued with the current financial situatations as to why possibly more folks here are not using Winstep.  I have always liked and will continue to like the talents and skill of the skinners in the community.

Different opinions in any discussion provide for a better understanding of the topic.  You do allow for that, right?

Apples and organges, that takes me way back to my early years when I fisst join the AF, had a Finance Officer that always used that analogy.  Unfortunately in my cureent status I can not eat organges, acid reflux.

cplair, between you and me, I'm still trying to figure out and use all of the Stardock stuff.  Ah, don't tell anyone. 

Hey Curtis, did you see that in the Theme Manager Suite I did for GT3/GT3 OS (TM XP Suite) I included the Winstep skin.

Well...I've had the whole ODNT package since the get go and all I use are Windowblinds...the widgets from DX...Iconpackager...and ObjectZip.,,then the standalones of CursorXpPlus & ObjectDockPlus...and some of the stuff I've never used. But personally I think Winstep offers things in a different way than those things which is why I use it as well. If you don't have ODNT its like having Windowblinds...DesktopX & Objectdock with Winstep. It's almost like having a ThemeManager that actually works.

But I think the whole point of what Doc was trying to do was just let people know...who do use Winstep...that there were and are new skins coming out now after lag...I don't think it was about whether you should use it or not...you either do or you don't like with everything else.

Anyway...I have a bunch more skins in the makings...so stay tuned!

Hankers just comes here to download stuff. 

WG (#22) is right...and If people have fun with a more open thread, it's fine with me also. It isn't my sandbox. If it was, none of you cats would be let in ( ).

I'm fine with Philly's feelings about things...he has used Winstep ... therefore has an educated opinion...and face it, I can learn from everyone here (I'm that ignorant   ...no LOL). In fact, using my own criteria, I'm the least qualified to have one. ("I wouldn't join a club that had me as a member.").

I'm like a kid with these really cool SD and WS tools. So...

I'm really happy WG and anand2008 have started skinning with WS (which was the original purpose of this) and I'm really happy about expanding the Community...

It's all good.