I disagree...Socialism and Communism by virtue of being what they are can not under any circumstances ever "work" for the good of the people.
Well it's your right to disagree, but facts are facts, and they were both designed to help the people.
That's my socialism, is the kind that HELPS people.
What do you mean? Of course it does. OUr Founders wanted to "insure domestic tranquillity" through the Constitution as the framework of our government. They did this by recognizing our God given natural right to life in their Declaration of Independence. The Declaration is the why
and the Constituion is the how
of American government. This was later protected against infringement by the 14th Amdendment. The God-given inalienable right to Life was protected for almost 200 years until the Supreme Court decided to "legalize" abortion in 1973. But ten years before that in 1963, the state threw prayer out of school and the Ten Commandments out of public buildings, court house hallways, etc. and it's been downhill for us from there.
Make no mistake....over these 40 or so years, our failure to protect the paramount right to life is leading us to totalitarianism and the dictatorship of relativism.
Sorry, but you're full of shite with that. In your beliefs, you fail to see the duality of the nation and the relativism that encompasses it. If our nation was intended to be as you see it, it would've been. Our founding fathers would've made it so, but it wasn't. The contitution is a secular document, as is the DoI. There's no (constitutional) basis for the claim of the right to life due to religion, because you can't take them hand in hand. They're two entirely different things. If you claim the right (in abortion) to life based off the constitution, you're playing with dice, because who is to say that it covers unborn children? It's never defined. If you claim the right to life (in abortion) based off of religion, then you hit the brick wall of separation of church and state, that the government is not supposed to base decisions on their religion or the majority religion because we're a multi-culural/religion nation. To do so would only open up the path towards possible Theological Fascism, i.e. the very thing you claim to dislike b/c of socialism/communism.
What I mean by the state/religion point was your constant implying some sort of Christian principles to this nation; this isn't a christian nation. We're a FREE nation. We were founded as a country for those of every religion. So you trying to apply your religious beliefs on our country, to interpret things that way - is faulty, it's a fallacy.
You have to step outside of your faith for a second, just a second and see it in the eyes of those who are not Christians.
Really? tell that to the hundreds of millions who suffered untold misery and suffering under it. Both real Socialism and Communism deny men have a right to private ownership of productive goods. According to them the means of production must be owned and managed by the State. Communism ruins the individual, the family, and society itself. Again, the individual right of ownership is completely abolished. No true incentive to self -development and progress is left. Freedom, so prized by all of us is destroyed, and people become just like parts of a machine.
No one here, including myself, is saying their pain and suffering was fake I've an adopted grandmother who is russian, and a friend at school who is russian. They both were living in the Soviet Union. I've heard horrible stories.
What I am saying, is that we can have Socialism/Communism in our economy or government, because we already have it. The only problem with it not working right, is that people won't work together.
I'm also saying, that theoretically, ideally...as communism/socialism were designed...there were the people in mind, and their well being.
It's like any man made or ran institution, it's open to corruption. Such as, for example, your faith. Just because your God says it's perfect and whatever, doesn't make it so.
I think we're just talking past each other, or talking from different angles, because I'm talking theoretically and as applied to a nation that has shown the ability to have socialism work efficiently.
you need to listen to your mother.
KFC, I'm not going to become paranoid over that. I'm not, I refuse to because it's just hokey created to make people afraid. I'm going to use my head; my rational, logical thinking and approach things as such. That being said, she now agrees with me. We've talked about it and she's (on her own thinking) told me that it really is silly.