Hate Speech - or Joke? » Forum Post by Anthony R

STARKERS POSTS #151

Oh, and how about the foreign relations mess she created with Venezuala's Chavez... wasn't very diplomatic or smart to go calling him a dictator publicly, now was it! Yup, Palin would have enemies crawling out of the woodwork if The US voting public put her in the office she seeks... and would destroy, along with any remaing credibility the US has left.

The point was not pointed at Chavez or his policies... it was pointed at Palin's foreign relations cock-up... for publicly antagonising Chavez with comments that he is a dictator. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant, Palin should not have gone public with her derogatory opinion about a 'World leader', it was inflammatory and did nothing to aid/smooth US - Venezualan relations.

STARKERS,

First, is it true or not? Or do you just put anything up here on this board hoping it sticks?

Second, let's go with it anyway since you brought it up and acknowledge that Palin has a derogarty opinion of Chavez....big woop-de-do. Anyone in their right mind would agree....Unlike some Democrats, like Bill Delahunt of Massachusetts, one of Chavez's toadie apologists and useful idiots, Palin is saying it exactly like it is...

Back in 2006, some in Congress started taking notice and getting worried about the massive militarization of Venezuela and the non-stop courting of Chavez by terrorist leaders around the world. They consider him a great threat to our national security. Some in Congress, (but none with a "D" after their name) consider Chavez on par with Saddam Hussein, Kim John Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad especially when he hosted them and on top of his agenda was the topic of introducing nuclear elements into Venezuala.

Knock, knock, Starkers, it's true.....Chavez is a bum dictator..our enemies, his friends, are as you say, "already crawling out of the woodwork" and Obama has said he'd meet with dictators without "any preconditions". On this, Obama is both naive and dangerous.

Sorry, Starkers....you've got this one 100% wrong....

Thank goodness, Palin knows a dictator-want-to-be when she sees one and is courageious enough to say it like it is...Thanks, this is one more reason to admire her!

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DrJBHL

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Next time try facts instead of snarky remarks.

How do you prove yourself innocent? Nice try.

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DrJBHL

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And anyone who says "I don't care what foreigners think of us" is either very naive or stupid; been living under a rock or is arrogant enough to think the US doesn't need the friendship and respect of foreigners... or all of the above. The US is NOT an island and it is dependent on the rest of the world for trade, allies and other forms of support, because without it the US would suffer financially, through a lack of resources and co-operation. To say 'I don't care what they think' is like biting the hand that feeds you, so yeah, it is important what your worldly neighbours think, otherwise they might just happen to stop caring, trading, co-operating and being allies in times of need.

Or, a brash, Bush Neocon "You're with us or you're our enemey" ideologue.

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DrJBHL

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Thank goodness, Palin knows a dictator-want-to-be when she sees one and is courageious enough to say it like it is...Thanks, this is one more reason to admire her!

Knowing something and shooting one's mouth off about it are two different things. Smart people know things and act accordingly. Making noise without any hope of advantage is stupid.

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I'll be so glad when the election farce is over with and people can go back to talking about real life.

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starkers

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Sorry, Starkers....you've got this one 100% wrong...

NO, you did! Reread my post and you will see that my remark had nothing to do with Chavez being a dictator, terrorist or anything else. It was about Sarah Palin putting her mouth in gear before engaging her brain.

Were Palin a World leader she may have a right/responsibilty to say something... but she's just a jumped up governor who's bitten off more than she can chew, so is bumping her gums on sensitive issues and saying shit she thinks people want to hear.

Obama has said he'd meet with dictators without "any preconditions". On this, Obama is both naive anddangerous.

Oh, so you'd rather he go in there with a heavy and uncompromising hand and all guns a blazing? Open dialogue may be just the thing that's needed to save the lives of more young miltary men and women.

Thank goodness, Palin knows a dictator-want-to-be when she sees one and is courageious enough to say it like it is

And what makes you think a dictator is going to respect/fear Palin anyway?? More to the point, what makes you think Palin has the balls and experience to deal with Chavez.. or any other dictator, for that matter? Moose shooting doesn't count... moose don't shoot back and/or plan strategic counter-offensives.

Finally....

First, is it true or not? Or do you just put anything up here on this board hoping it sticks?

I keep abreast/informed on World events, and the Palin/Chavez thing is something several news carriers thought newsworthy, so yes, it is true that Palin insulted Chavez and they had a run-in....

And as for putting stuff up and hoping it sticks, I have seen enough of Palin on TV to know that she is a blithering political idiot who come across as lacking communication skills without a teleprompter or cue cards. Palin's rhetoric, speeches, diatribes without these aids is lacking coherent thought and are hardly convincing... and given that the McCain camp has accused her of grandstanding and not taking GOP directions, I'd say that makes her far more dangerous than Barack Obama, who comes across as considerably more thoughtful and would prefer not to engage in another war.

Yes, the US needs change and a breath of fresh air, but Palin is NOT it

Thank goodness, Palin knows a dictator-want-to-be when she sees one and is courageious enough to say it like it is...Thanks, this is one more reason to admire her!

Knowing something and shooting one's mouth off about it are two different things. Smart people know things and act accordingly. Making noise without any hope of advantage is stupid.

Got it in a nutshell there, Doc..... Palin is far from being smart, and her past will catch up with her, if it already hasn't. The Senate inquiry into her abuse of powers may only be the beginning of her fall....'er, crash with a large thud from grace.

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DrJBHL

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Palin is far from being smart, and her past will catch up with her, if it already hasn't. The Senate inquiry into her abuse of powers may only be the beginning of her fall....'er, crash with a large thud from grace.

And the faster that happens, and the more they get will prevent her from running in 2012.

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Quoting TheD2JBug,

reply 19

Free speech is free speech , hatred or not.

If it's ok to do it to Obama , then the Soccer Mom VP candidate is fair game. She's not above playing it either

Were that it were okay to do to Obama. Not the KKK outfit thing, but most anything. If you mock Obama, you're one of those racist pigs who run around plotting assassinations.

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It seems our 1st amendment right serves 2 purposes...Free speech and identifying ignorant morons!

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Were that it were okay to do to Obama. Not the KKK outfit thing, but most anything. If you mock Obama, you're one of those racist pigs who run around plotting assassinations.

You mean like the jackasses that did?

TWICE now.

I've seen the Obama monkey stuffed animals... the Obama/Osama bullshit ... the comments at the Palin rallys, so if you're gonna get angry at the Palin photshop , get angry at that.

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DrJBHL

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Quoting TheD2JBug,

reply 24

Were that it were okay to do to Obama. Not the KKK outfit thing, but most anything. If you mock Obama, you're one of those racist pigs who run around plotting assassinations.
You mean like the jackasses that did?

TWICE now.

I've seen the Obama monkey stuffed animals... the Obama/Osama bullshit ... the comments at the Palin rallys, so if you're gonna get angry at the Palin photshop , get angry at that.

*smileys* gone again (moved back to Detroit?)....TheD2JBug +6 Halo points to ya!

Once again: "What goes around comes around" and again, spare me the phoney umbrage. Why not wait until Nov. 5th?

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Daiwa

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I've seen the Obama monkey stuffed animals... the Obama/Osama bullshit ...

And that's worse than what the left has been doing to Bush for 8 years in what way? And Palin hung in effigy is OK? If you ask me, it's all fair game so maybe we actually agree. Look forward to lots of hateful characterizations of our next president over the next term, whoever wins. It's the American way.

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Look forward to lots of hateful characterizations of our next president over the next term, whoever wins. It's the American way.

What a sad commentary that it's come to this....

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I beleive all the hot air released during this election year will greatly increase Global Warming.Hey,maybe I can get beachfront property in central Illinois!

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DrJBHL

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Quoting Wizard1956,

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I beleive all the hot air released during this election year will greatly increase Global Warming.Hey,maybe I can get beachfront property in central Illinois!

*poof* there go the icecaps .... will you please watch where you wave the wand Wizard1956?!?!

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Daiwa

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What a sad commentary that it's come to this....

Not to worry. Nancy Pelosi will take care of it for us.

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Quoting DrJBHL,

reply 4

Quoting Wizard1956,
reply 3
I beleive all the hot air released during this election year will greatly increase Global Warming.Hey,maybe I can get beachfront property in central Illinois!

*poof* there go the icecaps .... will you please watch where you wave the wand Wizard1956?!?!

Wave away! I got property in Arizona, and would love to go for a swim.

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unclerob

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Quoting cplair,

reply 14

The KKK might not like it

That's funny as hell Jafo!

But, to curtail any thought of malice, controversy or fear of offending, I am a Black Man.

Now, ask yourself:

If this was a Nazi uniform, would all the Jews, Hungarians and Homosexuals be offended and rush off to the Museum Of Tolerance?

If she was dressed as a Turkish soldier vintage 1915 - 1917, would that anger all the Armenians who's ancestors were caught up in a near genocide?

If she dressed like Rev. Jim Jones, should you run out and hide all the Grape Kool-Aid out of fear of it being spiked with cyanide?

I'm not one of those oppressed minority members sitting around all day pointing fingers blaming the world for keeping me down for 400 years.

Why?

Because nobody can.

I'm well versed in both US and World History, and I find that as time passes, HISTORY has slowly eroded into HIS-STORY.

Bottom line people, you have the freedom of choice. And it is your choice how you want to walk through life.

It is also your prerogative to sit around all day and let pictures like this piss you off too!

CHOICE! Have the common smarts to use it wisely.

The most surprising thing I read in there was the fact that you're a black man....

Just kidding.

I like your style Curtis, keep it coming - I love reading your posts bro!

Seriously the best part of the entire quote is this, Bottom line people, you have the freedom of choice. And it is your choice how you want to walk through life. In a nutshell, if you can follow this as a rule of life, you'll be ok and these photoshop tricks among other things will be seen as amusing rather than offensive and you won't spend your time or energy feeling hurt or offended. If I had to spend my entire day thinking about what is offensive against me, I would never get anything done. It's focusing on what's offensive, instead of what's good & attractive that keeps you in that mindset of how bad things are in the world and how nothing is really that good.... and regardless of how much bad there is out there, there is alot of good as well, I'd rather focus on that and consider the photoshop trick above as something amusing and leave it at that.

But that is my choice, it's not yours. If you have to complain go ahead - we can't control you, only you control your own actions, thoughts & responses to certain things including funny photoshop tricks.

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unclerob

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Quoting little-whip,

reply 10

The point (which so many of you numbnuts missed) was that the Klan was not originally formed 'to support slavery'. Slavery was already dead and gone by the war's end...at least that particular form of it. We all know that a sharecropper's life was SO much better for those freed slaves, right? The ones that remained on the land still worked it, often putting in longer hours than they did under their previous 'masters', but they didn't own it and in fact they often owed the landowner more than what they'd produced would bring, introducing them to a new master...called DEBT.

But that's a whole 'nuther story.

I have never denied that they were a white supremacist group, so you can take back all these words you've put in my mouth and choke on 'em for all I care.

RE: Skinning...While it's certainly made Brad Wardell a very wealthy man, I cannot imagine a more useless activity to spend your days on, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I loathe the forced crossposting mainly because I'm not always 'nice' (as you've seen) and I find you artsy-fartsy types far too delicate and emotionally retarded to play with.

I don't know of ANYONE on EITHER side of the wonderful world of Stardock who actually LIKES this crossposting, but as someone already mentioned, complaints fall on deaf ears, so deal with it....mmk?

All I can say is WOW!

I've never ever heard skinning referred to as a more useless activity. I guess that's your opinion, you're entitled to it - I never ever thought I would read that type of comment on this site ever.

Seriously!

Is skinning limited to just dressing up windows & your pc's applications?

Couldn't consider things like improving your appearance by going to the gym, getting your hair & makeup done, manicures/pedicures, getting your car detailed, painting a room in your house, etc, etc, etc, as all different forms of skinning? Making things look more attractive is just natural human nature.

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unclerob

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Quoting little-whip,

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What I'd like to know is this...

Yesterday a female McCain volunteer was the victim of a mugging while withdrawing cash from her ATM machine. She handed over the money as the robber demanded, but when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on her car, proceeded to beat the crap out of her and carve a large 'B' (for Barack) on her face.

The perpetrator was black, his victim was white.

Is HE going to be charged with a HATE CRIME?

I doubt it. Why? Because he's black, that's why. And we all know black people aren't capable of hate. Right?

Uh-huh.

Ouch and Ouch again, she's full of these zingers... WOW!

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Quoting Daiwa,

reply 1

I've seen the Obama monkey stuffed animals... the Obama/Osama bullshit ...

And that's worse than what the left has been doing to Bush for 8 years in what way? And Palin hung in effigy is OK? If you ask me, it's all fair game so maybe we actually agree. Look forward to lots of hateful characterizations of our next president over the next term, whoever wins. It's the American way.

Yes , and it's contremptable that Palin was hung in effigy.

The irony is when Palin was hung in effigy , the apparently left wing radical Keith Olbermann condemned it and named that asshole that posted it , his Worst Person In the World in his show this week.

Palin will just sit there and read her precious talking points when assholes shout 'kill the nigger' at her rallys.

Note the diffference here.

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Quoting little-whip,

reply 2

What I'd like to know is this...

Yesterday a female McCain volunteer was the victim of a mugging while withdrawing cash from her ATM machine. She handed over the money as the robber demanded, but when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on her car, proceeded to beat the crap out of her and carve a large 'B' (for Barack) on her face.

The perpetrator was black, his victim was white.

Is HE going to be charged with a HATE CRIME?

I doubt it. Why? Because he's black, that's why. And we all know black people aren't capable of hate. Right?

Uh-huh.

Now that we know that this was a hoax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj1DxAowkGM

.... Although I agree with you . Black or white , Jew or Gentile . We're all as equally capable of love , and we're all as equally capable of hate.

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Daiwa

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Palin will just sit there and read her precious talking points when assholes shout 'kill the nigger' at her rallys.

It would be helpful if there were specifics you could offer to support this allegation. Far as I know, there was only one episode where it was alleged that someone in the crowd yelled 'kill him' (with no mention of 'nigger') which turned out to be a fabrication - the Secret Service detail in the crowd said no such thing happened. I'm open to hearing about confirmed actual events, but characterizing her rally attendants as 'assholes' who shout 'kill the nigger' would not seem to be helpful, particularly if it is based on a myth.

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i forgot my promise to myself

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starkers

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Freedom of speech isn't as free as you think.

When I was a young tearaway on a high powered motorcyle, a cop pulled me overand started writing me a speeding ticket, then he started checking out my bike for any illegal modification (of which there were some), bald tyres and wrote me another ticket for and unbaffled 4 into 1 exhaust... then one for a bald rear tyre.

Me, being the smart arse and rather pissed off, said to him: "If I was to call you a dirty rotten low down bastard you'd p0robably write me another ticket, wouldn't ya??

"Yup, if you called me that I would most definitely write you another ticket... or two!

So then I said to him: "If I was to tell you to go and get well and truly effed, you'd probably arrest me for using obscene language in a public place, wouldn't ya?"

"Yup, I reckon that I would!"

So then I said to him: "But if I thought that you could gop and get well and truly effed, you couldn't arrest me for thinking it, could ya?"

"Nope, I couldn't arrest you for thinking it!"

So then I said: "Well I think you can go and get well and truly effed!"

Bastard lied.... he arrested me anyway.

Moral to the story: freedom of thought ain't so free either...if you think of something that'll get ya in the shit/get up peoples noses, don't think out loud.