I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that Obama is a Muslim or a terrorist.
The "association" smear is precisely that. It is fallacious and self-delusional to claim otherwise.
I think there is evidence that at one time, Obama was raised as a Muslim when in Indonesia but I don't think it really matters any way.
And I was raised Canadian until the age of 4 when I moved to America and became an American citizen by choice. Do you think for a MINUTE I remember anything about being "Canadian"? Do you think it has any affect on my politics or religious beliefs, etc. today At 4 years old?! Puh-lease.
Obama certainly has spent time with and associated with people who intensely dislike the United States. Ayres, for instance, is an unrepentant terrorist in my opinion.
And I've worked directly with three recent Presidents. That doesn't mean I'm senile or helped bring down the Berlin Wall, a spy who's responsible for Noriega AND Saddam, or would cheat on my wife, now does it?!
So who decides whether a given fact is relevant or not? You? Ignorance is not knowing something. You expand the definition to include those who have opinions you don't agree with.
No, I expand the definition of ignorance to those who bury their heads in the sand so as to remain willfully ignorant of the facts just to keep from shaking up their personal ideology. There is uneducated and then there is ignorant and then there is willfully ignorant.
My issue with Obama in that area is how many people who just despise this country happen to support him or be involved with him.
Ah, NOW we get to the meat of it. Are you one of those "America, love it or leave it" people who the corrupt count on when they sling that "your flag pin isn't as big as my flag pin" hooey?
In an effort to clear up the misrepresentation of those of us who love America enough to want to see her get back on track after being whored out to the highest bidder for the past 8 years, here is a list of what I don't think we believe in:
We don't believe we should put American soldiers' lives at risk by premptively invading already declawed countries just to slide a trillion dollars of graft to our cronies.
We don't believe that the Constitution is an anachronistic document that should be actively isubverted.
We don't believe that our systems and balances are quaint and should be ignored by an unchecked executive branch.
We don't believe in ceding the moral high ground our predecessors fought 200 years to establish.
We don't believe that you are guilty until proven innocent. re: the (un)Patriot Act.
We don't believe that our private lives are any of your goddamn business. re: recording US citizen phone calls.
We don't believe that this country has the "god given right" to treat the rest of humanity (and the planet for that matter) like shit, just because we were in the right place at the right time for the industrial age.
And we can't believe we are the only remaining industrialized nation in the world that still lets these HMO scumbags (thanks Nixon! ahem) kill our own citizens in the interest of more pennies to the stockholders.
We don't believe in torture.
We don't despise this country. We despise the LEADERSHIP of OUR country - what Bush's administration has done to OUR nation and we're holding anyone associated with it, including McCain, accountable.
I love this country. I, like you, Brad, and like Obama, have had more than my fair share of the American Dream. And I see that dream dying all over this nation. It is simply not possible for some people to get out of the holes they've been squeezed into by the policies of this administration. And I know that no amount of individual charity can counter the machines that are deliberately bleeding the poor and middle class of this country dry.
So, I think this GREAT nation can do better. And I love America enough to do whatever it takes to see her stay a superpower and remain the most blessed nation on the Earth.
And we aren't going to be able to make that happen with more decades of "me first" and "I need to save another 1% on my taxes" thinking.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." -- Thomas Jefferson
In fact, nowhere do the founding fathers say anything even remotely like "America, love it or leave it."