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messiah1
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Reply #226 July 29, 2008 6:42:36 PM
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Flat, unskinned system buttons? I'd expect more from a pay theme.Just the Sony theme, the payware ones aren't flat and unskinned.Ah, ok then.GeekRulez, I've never had a problem with any Stardock products, and I run a lot of them and have been for 4 years now over 2 machine builds, no instabilities here. And I also exclusively use Winamp, always have, always will.As for #2: Hyperdesk would only really be a competitor to MyColors, which is also a theme manager that applies a Windows skin, icons, wallpaper, and gadgets. They run $20 (or $10 for ODNT subscribers), and come fully skinned and work for XP AND Vista.


Yap, 20 bucks...
How about the price of the content ? The excellent ones.
You don't have problem ? I do. To get product distributed, it's must be mostly compatible not just for some people of the world.

Wow, the payware is fully skinned ... Thanks 4 the info.
Should buy..
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Reply #227 July 29, 2008 6:48:11 PM
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mycolors is free. some of the suites are free. some suites cost as much as $19.95. mycolors skins xp and vista.

hyperdesk is free. some of the suites are free. some suites cost as much as $19.95. hyperdesk skins xp.




that's all i'm going to say.
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Reply #228 July 29, 2008 6:49:31 PM
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System Icon Missing ? Who cares ? How many ?


Most everyone I know    If we didn't care why use any icons at all. Having a mix of mostly XP and a few skinned icons is worse than using stock XP IMO.
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messiah1
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Reply #229 July 29, 2008 7:00:16 PM
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Wow
System Icon Missing ? Who cares ? How many ?Most everyone I know    If we didn't care why use any icons at all. Having a mix of mostly XP and a few skinned icons is worse than using stock XP IMO.


It's been resolved. Please see the post before me. The payware doesn't have the issue. The free does have. Advertising tactic.

And, oh yeah, a little missing icons don't add much weight. Most everyone u know ? How many of them compared to people of the world ? Skin community is good, but the fact is a lot of people outside know about skinning too.
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Reply #230 July 29, 2008 7:13:16 PM
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The payware doesn't have the issue.


Oh.. the Pay themes are fully skinned and have full iconsets?? Ohh.. well why didn't you say that??

Silly me... Screeny please   
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Xan
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Reply #231 July 29, 2008 7:25:50 PM
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Wow, I'm shock at how stardock guys implicitly refuse competition.


Oh now we're 'stardock guys'. Love hyperdesk or you're a stardock guy. and I suppose the people who criticize WindowBlinds themes are all hyperdesk guys now?

Hyperdesks problem is that it is the phantom menace of skinning. It was hyped but endlessly in screenshot teasers for months and months and when it shows up you end up with a really fancy pretty website that when you download the one free 'hypertheme' it turns out to be a pretty mediocre, buggy, theme.
Can any 'hyperdesk guys' honestly say that the free sony theme is even as good as an average visual style you can find on deviant art? It's no where near as good as one of Studio28's skins.
Like Phantom Menace, hyperdesk isn't terrible, it's just not very good and because of the hyperhype its makers gave it expectations were higher. All I can tell is that the Hyperdesk guys are very good at making pretty screenshots and fancy websites.
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Reply #232 July 29, 2008 7:29:06 PM
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Wow, I'm shock at how stardock guys implicitly refuse competition.
I want to say some things,
1. System Icon Missing ? Who cares ? How many ? Most people do usual and common activities. What matters is overall impression with combination from skin, icon, widget, etc.
2. How much do you guys pay for WB, Icon Packager, and the remaining transforamtion application ? And not to mention the additional price for the additonal content. From what I've seen, Stardock application so called technology doesn't apply much in the preinstalled content. It's the additional content that matters and that means additional price. HyperDesk price is good enough with its all around content.
3. It's cool. Every skin application is cool, but at the later times people get bored. However, it will be less boring if there is combination. Combination compensates what others lack.
4. Bugs ? Error ? Old technology ? What is sure is even WB has graphic corruption (I've above decent computer 4 WB requirement). It's unstable in long term use of PC. What people want is how beautiful it's not the technology who gets boring at the later time. After all, every skin for WB has one fact, underneath it's all the same with variation this and that. XP is old too.
5.Keep your manner WB guys, I've taken a serious misinformation and disregard here. Competition is good and please be fair in assessing. Don't hide facts and just give little detail or direct what people think in the wrong direction. Good comparation gives value to customer.
6.Media player ? Winamp ? Itune ?
Most people nowadays use Media player and media player classic not Winamp. Itune in fact doesn't offer much either. I see the reason why WMP is chosen. It's simple and spacious and not too much complicating features. After all people just want to hear song from their library while catch the eye. Not many peole want to install additional softwares (u know the reason from simple to advance). The decision for WMP is appealing. Oh, winamp skin is included.
7. It's elegant, the hyperdesk and simple.


What a load of crap.

I can buy Object Desktop for $50 and get thousands of skins and themes, gadgets, widgets, more for free.
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Bebi Bulma
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Reply #233 July 29, 2008 7:39:19 PM
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Can any 'hyperdesk guys' honestly say that the free sony theme is even as good as an average visual style you can find on deviant art? It's no where near as good as one of Studio28's skins.

Funny thing is....Kol/studio28 is the person who made the hypersuites.
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Reply #234 July 29, 2008 7:39:53 PM
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can buy Object Desktop for $50 and get thousands of skins and themes, gadgets, widgets, more for free.


It's also been around A LOT longer, if HyperDesk was around for the amount of time lets say ThemeManager was then they'd have thousands to choose from as well.
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Reply #235 July 29, 2008 7:58:16 PM
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It would seem the world is full of muppets... 
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Reply #236 July 29, 2008 8:06:45 PM
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Dark Matter: Subspace



This image has been resized. Click this bar to view the full image. The original image is sized 1360x768 and weighs 175k.


There's like dozens of WB3 skins that look better than that. Hope that's not a pay one.
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Reply #237 July 29, 2008 8:14:50 PM
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^$10. Love how the previews didn't actually show any open window contents.
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Reply #238 July 29, 2008 8:24:53 PM
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And seriously now.....who the hell doesn't "Hype" they're stuff around here? And I don't mean just WC or Stardock. Everyone always thinks/claims they have the next best thing. If anyone's stuff is that good...it will speak for itself...no hype is needed. Man....its like coming home in the morning and turning on the TV only to find nothing but infomercials anymore. Then when you finally get this next best thing...well...it ain't all it was cracked up to be. And if I come here one day to find Billy Maze or whatever his name is selling stuff I'm throwing this damn pc out the window!
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Reply #239 July 29, 2008 8:28:29 PM
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It cleans carpets, removes stains, and makes babies stop crying too!
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Reply #240 July 29, 2008 8:36:05 PM
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Having a mix of mostly XP and a few skinned icons is worse than using stock XP IMO.

I agree,same with Vista without proper folders.1/4 done is worse than not done at all.
Lucky me,I have Vista-no Vista hyperdesk anytime soon.

if HyperDesk was around for the amount of time lets say ThemeManager was then they'd have thousands to choose from as well.

But still with the same limitations,x1,000's,while WindowBlinds continues to innovate,improve and evolve.(Did I mention it works with Vista?)

And one other point,before I go.People are free here to voice their opinions and complaints about Stardock products.It's something I've come to respect the company for.Feedback,both good and bad is a vital part of product development,imo.Only a company that has no interest in its customers or the future of its products would want to ignore it.

I'm Going To Stay Here
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Reply #241 July 29, 2008 8:45:28 PM
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People are free here to voice their opinions and complaints about Stardock products.


I dont hear any complaining about Stardock products, All I "hear" (or read for that matter) is the same thing posted by the same people 30 times in the exact same manor, voicing your opinion is one thing but when you post the exact same thing 10 times it gets repetitive fast.

No good comes from these arguments, its happened with VS vs. WB (And Hyperdesk visual styles are more or less a strict adaptation of the standard visual style), so why don't we just end it with; To each his own.
Everyone seems so intent on bashing one another, pick one to use and move on?
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Reply #242 July 29, 2008 9:20:43 PM
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To each his own.
Everyone seems so intent on bashing one another, pick one to use and move on?


Well said. This thread wasn't started as a Hyperdesk problem thread. It wasn't started as a Hyperdesk bashing thread. It was started to have a mature discussion about Hyperdesk, the newest way to skin your desktop. People are entitled to their opinions. I have both WB and Hyperdesk on my PC. After using the Sony theme for a bit, I switched back to WB. I don't have one of the pay themes. I have no opinion on them. Lets try to keep this an un-bashing thread or you know Zoomba will be in here with his get some stick to close it.   
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Reply #243 July 29, 2008 9:24:16 PM
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it gets repetitive fast.


Then stop coming back   
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Reply #244 July 29, 2008 9:30:27 PM
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Then stop coming back


Sometimes it's a good idea to take the advice you give... like now for instance!
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Reply #245 July 29, 2008 9:31:49 PM
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Lets try to keep this an un-bashing thread or you know Zoomba will be in here with his get some stick to close it.

That'll be me, more likely...

Everyone's entitled to an opinion....educated ones are preferred...

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Reply #246 July 29, 2008 9:42:36 PM
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And seriously now.....who the hell doesn't "Hype" they're stuff around here?
ZubaZ admits to being a hack and has always been surprised anyone downloads his stuff.  He makes it for himself and then shares. 
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Reply #247 July 29, 2008 9:43:29 PM
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pick one to use and move on?


no Vista hyperdesk anytime soon.

It looks like that choice was made for me already.
Not that I'd want to try it anyway.WB6 is stable and reliable ,I'll stick with what works for me.
I dont hear any complaining about Stardock products,


That was a general reference to the forums,in which you will find an occasional complaint.
A company that listens to it's critics shuts them up by improving the products or services.
A company that censors it's critics just shuts them up.

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Reply #248 July 29, 2008 9:50:05 PM
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I dont hear any complaining about Stardock products
People complain about and report and suggest features for Stardock and many other company's apps in these forums.  Hyperdesk is teh newk id on the block and will be compared.  It's natural nad good.

Open discussion topics:
  1. Artistic merit - very subjective - interesting but un-win-able
  2. Completeness of skinning - VS vs. WB  . .. been done but can still be interesting
  3. Required completeness - very subjective . . why bother
  4. Marketing - subjective . . but with facts available to support
Pointless discussion topics:
  1. "Hyperdesk sucks"
  2. "Windowblinds sucks"
  3. "Zubaz can't type"
  4. "MikeB's Old Republic skin is the baddest mo' fo' around
 
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Reply #249 July 29, 2008 10:11:40 PM
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Guess I'll jump in here... as someone who started designing .msstyles seven years ago and designing Windowblinds skins within the last few years, I have seen a lot changes in the "skinning" world. I design for both .msstyles and Windowblinds, and always will.

I have tried several products for applying .msstyles and even the UXTHEME.DLL patch. Of course none of them ever came close to the capabilities that StyleXP had in the .msstyles world before its demise (not compatible with XP SP3).

A quality product was definitely needed for users who wish to continue use the .msstyles format and stay with Windows XP, and Hyperdesk is a first attempt at filling that need, I admire the creators for that.

While it lacks a lot of the features that StyleXP had, I am certain it will improve in the future. It is ture that it will never have all the abilities of Windowblinds because of its patching the UXTHEME.DLL in memory, but I do not think it was ever intended to compete with it. So arguing that Windowblinds is better than Hyperdesk is like the old arguments when people would compare StyleXP to Windowblinds. It is a moot point at this stage, there is no need to compare products, each is designed to fill different user needs.

The interface in Hyperdesk is in fact very well done and easy to use, and while I do agree that the Sony Ericsson and possibly other themes are lacking in design/quality in some areas, the product itself holds merit.

I applaud any company that attempts to enter the skinning world with a new product, and many have done so over the years and died out since, but lets give credit where credit is due.

Windowblinds is an excellent product, Hyperdesk I am sure will be too. I mean, I don't think anyone ever mentioned products that can apply .msstyles like Auslogic's Visual Styler, or TuneUp Softwares Styler2, which are both XP and Vista compatible here at WC when they were released, so why talk so much about Hyperdesk?

I really look forward to the possibility of Hyperdesk replacing products like StyleXP among others, and I hope to see its capabilities expand in the future, and go on to Windows Vista. I also hope to see software released that will allow for creating .msstyles for Vista.

I am a skinner, I support all companies that aid me in my design work, and I do not complain or ridicule any of them. I just try to design for them all, for without them there would be no way at all for my work to be seen. Maybe we should all try this humble philosophy?
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Reply #250 July 29, 2008 10:16:25 PM
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Well put LightStar!
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