Aussies Set For 200,000 Piracy Notices Per Year Under New Code

By on April 8, 2015 10:07:00 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

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 Along time ago I gave a book to my mom after I was done reading it. Seems to be no harm in sharing a good book with someone. But by todays standards I would be braking copyright laws by not making her buy her own copy. I can't tell you how many vinyl albums I lost over the years  to friends who borrowed them. We are taught as children to share our toys and games. I guess it is in a lot of people's DNA. 

 

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April 8, 2015 10:44:23 AM from Galactic Civilizations III Forums Galactic Civilizations III Forums

Aren't there bigger things like murders and rapes to solve and prosecute?

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April 8, 2015 10:52:56 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Stanley Tarrant,

Aren't there bigger things like murders and rapes to solve and prosecute?

 

human lives are "bigger things" than corporate profit? what's next? communism?

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April 8, 2015 10:54:48 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting moshi,

human lives are "bigger things" than corporate profit? what's next? communism?

I like the cut of your jib...

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April 8, 2015 11:59:09 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

You are just like so many others who gloss over the issue! When you loan or give your mother a good book to read, it is no longer in your possession. When you download a copy of a movie or music, you are cheating, nay stealing, from the copyright holder who was only paid for the original that hundreds or thousands are now using!

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April 8, 2015 12:11:58 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting moshi,

human lives are "bigger things" than corporate profit? what's next? communism?

Nah...try humanism and priorities: First illness, disease, and suffering next physical, verbal/emotional and economic violence. Piracy is a form of economic violence. 

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April 8, 2015 1:13:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

kkunderwood

You are just like so many others who gloss over the issue! When you loan or give your mother a good book to read, it is no longer in your possession. When you download a copy of a movie or music, you are cheating, nay stealing, from the copyright holder who was only paid for the original that hundreds or thousands are now using!

  You know there is a lot more piracy going around in the physical world than in the digital world. When you go to an old book store and purchase a used book or an album neither the author, or the publisher receives a percentage of the sales. When you go to an auto show with thousands of used auto parts, engines, tools etc, etc, the only one making a profit is the seller not the original manufacturer. When you go to an antique store everything is secondhand, from clothes to furniture, nick-nacks, jewelry. The worst is guns at a Gun Show. Bartering for goods or services has been around longer than dirt. A judge in Spain said that the movie companies cannot make claims of lost profits for products no one would buy in the first place. (Think of the worst movie you ever saw, and why did you waste money on that.) Which of you has never bought anything used or secondhand. If you did, then you just broke copyright laws as the MPAA would have them written. Maybe it is you who makes a convenient choice to buy something secondhand when it suits your needs.

Yes there are a lot more important issues to get under control. Maybe you should get the U.S to stop this:  

Just 24 hours ago Australia was abuzz with the news that U.S.-based Voltage Pictures will now be allowed to launch a so-called ‘speculative invoicing’ scheme Down Under. The company will obtain the names of people behind ISP accounts linked to the unlawful sharing of their works online and pursue them for cash settlements. It’s a business model with a grubby reputation, one that mainstream rightsholders have largely steered away from in recent years. Instead, the world’s largest entertainment companies are focusing their efforts on schemes designed to educate citizens, those in Australia included, in the hope that they will voluntarily change their online media consumption habits.

Also a judge recently ruled that it was legal to make copies of your personal property(movies, CD's) under fair rights law. The problem is you can't make a copy without breaking the DRM LAWS. Human trafficking should definitely be a much higher priority.

  

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April 8, 2015 6:57:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

@fooshniken: You are deliberately ignoring the fundamental difference between a physical item such as a book or a second hand sale and the ripping off of movies or music. In the first case there is one and only one entity being passed around. In the second is the illegal uploading of copyrighted material to some "pirate" site where it is then cloned.

Your justification that there are higher priorities such as human trafficking is vacuous at best. The only legal recourse to stop this clearly illegal ripoff of copyright holders is to prosecute them quickly and severely!

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April 8, 2015 8:41:14 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I find it ridiculous that music and movies studios spend billions on tracking down and prosecuting people who likely would never have bought the CD/DVD in the first place.... hence there were really NO lost sales, just projected figures to give the illusion of lost sales.

What is even more ridiculous are the 'so-called' reparations where the companies set ridiculous settlement sums that people simply cannot afford, thus placing a greater burden on society by jailing them for unreasonable periods.  Priorities are all wrong when so-called pirates get much longer jail terms than rapists and kiddy fiddlers.

To resolve this issue the aspect of greed needs to be addressed.... when pricing becomes more reasoable to the average person, then maybe the issues surrounding digital piracy will resolve themselves'

My two cents.

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April 9, 2015 12:02:14 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Starkers  - I agree 100%.

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April 9, 2015 12:33:53 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

hence there were really NO lost sales,

That's the whole point arse-about.

Of course there are 'no lost sales' they [pirates] do not need to buy anything...they've already taken it instead without paying.

Saying 'there are no lost sales' is an absurd argument.

If you want ANYTHING you pay for it.  If you don't you don't pay.

It all goes to shit when people don't pay...yet still get it.  That bit is called THEFT.

Now, please don't talk about material loss aka physical property versus copying...that hackneyed argument has been done to death, way before Adam was a pup.

If you pirate/download something without lawful payment to the content owner you clearly WANT IT....so pay for the fucker and leave the rest of the world [and this fatuous argument] in peace...

If I had a couple of dollars for every arse I'd kicked from these forums actually asking for warez of [even just] Stardock's apps I'd be retired somewhere on my own Island...

 

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April 9, 2015 12:42:05 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

To add...that's not to say the penalties are a wee bit OTT...but if you want silly, how about a local council down here wanting to fine ratepayers $1500 for leaving their rubbish bins out too long.

Sounds like a cute way to stir the shit out of neighbours you don't like...sneak in and drag out their bins....

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April 9, 2015 1:13:07 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

We introduced 3x strikes and you are out in NZ a number of years ago. Made no difference to anything, didn't reduces downloading and didn't eventuate in mass prosecutions. It was a big bunch of nothing much.

 

You are not going to stop illegal use of digital material by persecuting people. Instead companies are changing their business models, see spotify, netflix etc these services are affordable and they offer so much content, so easily, that punters are happy to pay.

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April 9, 2015 5:13:02 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting kkunderwood,

@fooshniken: You are deliberately ignoring the fundamental difference between a physical item such as a book or a second hand sale and the ripping off of movies or music. In the first case there is one and only one entity being passed around. In the second is the illegal uploading of copyrighted material to some "pirate" site where it is then cloned.

Your justification that there are higher priorities such as human trafficking is vacuous at best. The only legal recourse to stop this clearly illegal ripoff of copyright holders is to prosecute them quickly and severely!

 

come on, you never made a mixtape for a girl? or maybe you did and you now feel guilty about it as you have not been punished "quickly and severely"?

that's just sad.

the desire to prosecute large parts of the population is pathological. i almost think you want people to be punished for singing along their mp3-players in public (without paying royalities).

 

 

Quoting ChungasRevenge,

You are not going to stop illegal use of digital material by persecuting people. Instead companies are changing their business models, see spotify, netflix etc these services are affordable and they offer so much content, so easily, that punters are happy to pay.

 

exactly. offer something more convenient than downloading from some murky website or creating physical copies with a DVD-Burner then people will use it. that's how reality works.

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April 9, 2015 9:54:29 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

 What the heck is going on Down Under. Here's another article about your VPN's being pulled  -   

 

http://www.myce.com/news/australian-isp-pulls-vpn-service-75672/

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April 9, 2015 7:26:47 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting fooshniken,

 What the heck is going on Down Under. Here's another article about your VPN's being pulled  -   

 

http://www.myce.com/news/australian-isp-pulls-vpn-service-75672/

 To be honest, I don't think it will matter what these companies do to try and restrict illegal downloading, or even if they could eliminate it entirely, their sales are not likely to increase by that much.... not unless the content is made more freely available and the geophysical restrictions are removed.  However, that is unlikely to happen due to the greed of company executives, their need to have absolute control over everything.

I find it deplorable that they fork out billions to pursue and prosecute offenders rather than make the content more affordable/accessible.  For mine, these companies brought the issue upon themselves with daconian rules and greed.  I read the results of a survey conducted here in Australia a couple of years ago, and only 3% said they would purchase the content they liked after downloading it from torrent sites. 

That suggests to me these companies are barking up the wrong tree, that relaxing on price and availability would better serve their cause.. plus save billions in fruitless pursuits.  In the same survey, over 87% said they would not cave in to demands for a settlement and would take their chances in court, and if convicted, would rather do jail time than pay up, due to having little or no money... and you know what they say about getting blood out of a stone.

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April 9, 2015 7:32:41 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

starkers...it's not 'billions'...it might not even make it to 'millions'.  IP losses might make it to billions, however..

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April 9, 2015 7:35:24 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,

and only 3% said they would purchase the content they liked after downloading it from torrent sites.

Yes, that's not an indicator of 'potential lost sales' it's simply an indicator that once torrented no-one needs to buy it...they've seen it/used it/read it already...

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April 9, 2015 8:14:35 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Of course there will always be an argument regarding ethics, statistic and intent, etc....as to why the music, movie industries approach is so right, valid, ethical.

As to the costs incurred to pursue illegal downloaders they may be considerably higher than one thinks.... the legal fraternity, private investigators and the various technical  experts do not come cheap. 

Okay, so maybe it's not quite into the billions.... YET, but not so long ago I read that Sony Entertainment had  paid a 20 million dollar retainer to one legal firm to act on it's behalf.... and that's only one company out of the 1000's out there trying to pursue settlements, etc.

Like I said before, they are barking up the wrong tree and need to rethink their business models to address the issue.  Until then they're banging their heads against a brick wall.

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April 13, 2015 10:49:46 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting fooshniken,

When you loan or give your mother a good book to read, it is no longer in your possession. When you download a copy of a movie or music, you are cheating, nay stealing, from the copyright holder who was only paid for the original that hundreds or thousands are now using!

Quoting kkunderwood,

You are deliberately ignoring the fundamental difference between a physical item such as a book or a second hand sale and the ripping off of movies or music.

Actually what's being ignored is "licensing" vs. "possession" in the sense of "ownership".

The legality of the actual transfer is what should be discussed and that has nothing to do with whether it's physical or virtual. What determines theft is licensing.

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