Do I Need to Stop Using Microsoft Security Essentials?

By on October 19, 2013 10:59:44 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

TechNoWeb

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This is a very good post

 

Recently statements were made by a Microsoft spokesperson that some interpreted as implying that Microsoft was giving up on Microsoft Security Essentials. I went to the source and asked for clarification.

http://askleo.com/do-i-need-to-stop-using-microsoft-security-essentials/

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October 20, 2013 5:10:01 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

According to the article MS is still supporting MSSE. I use MSSE and it plays nice with my other A/V products, Mbam, Threatfire and ASC. Its like working in layers, a sort of tiered defense.

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October 20, 2013 5:44:30 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

The truth? MSE isn't worth a lot. It consistently has ranked very low among the antivirals. You should have a good antiviral - one that is not just 'on demand', but that works all the time (proactive). A layered defense is a good thing. You can read about it here. MSE isn't really a good part of a layered defense.

You should make sure to do the MS updates, and make sure your programs are up to date as well. You should make sure to do your Java and flash updates as well (not javascript which is different). 

You should develop safe browsing habits, as well.

You should set up a Guest account and do your browsing from there, NOT an administrator account. That will mitigate any viral infection.

There are other things to do such as installing the MS EMET tools. You should strongly consider disabling javascript in your browser/s to prevent infection by malware java applets on webpages.

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October 20, 2013 8:31:45 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I have been using MSE for as long as it has been around. I have never got an infected. All though I've never been infected in the 25 years I've been computing. I have 3 computer stores/shops and every custom built PC that leaves one of my stores has a copy of MSE on it. Unless it has Windows 8 installed.

I think it's great all my home computers have it installed. Except mine I have windows 8 on it. When it came out as part of OneCare I was a beta tester. Mabie that's why I trust it so much who knows lol. But The proof is in the pudding I nor any computer at my house has been infected. It's kind of like telling someone I know your getting great service out of that BMW but you really need to get rid of it and get something else.
 

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October 25, 2013 3:19:31 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I also have been using MSE since it came out (was also a beta tester for OneCare).

We haven't had any problems at all on the home computer, with 3 family members sharing.

I'll keep it until it is no longer supported.

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October 25, 2013 5:55:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting TechNoWeb,
I have been using MSE for as long as it has been around. I have never got an infected.

But how would you know?  Perhaps MSE is too dumb to recognize an infection in the first place....

It only TELLS you you are clean....

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October 25, 2013 6:34:35 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums
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October 25, 2013 7:59:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I run with MSE and Malwarebytes Pro.  MSE won't address alot of the Malware like ASK toolbar MyWebSearch etc but it really does give some basic protection.  Malwarebytes Pro helps to fill that void for me.

I have both active in real time protection and they work well together.

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October 25, 2013 8:30:21 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,

Quoting TechNoWeb, reply 3I have been using MSE for as long as it has been around. I have never got an infected.

But how would you know?  Perhaps MSE is too dumb to recognize an infection in the first place....

It only TELLS you you are clean....

If I were infected I would know. I have been doing this stuff for over 33 years starting with my first shop in 1980. I'm far from being a noob. I just do not believe everything I read on the net about what antivirus software is the flavor of the month.

Like I said every custom computer that leaves one of my stores have a copy of windows 7 has a copy of MSE installed. For windows 8 Viper. I have found people that are more experience using computers are less likely to get infected. I don't care what your using if there is an idiot at the keyboard EG file sharers.

people who can't get enough porn. people who just have to open that attachment they got from Be Bob. I'm in the trenches everyday and I see maybe once a year a computer infected with a drive by zeroday at attach. Most are people who do not think safety online.

But like I said MSE does a good job in the real world regardless of what a website ranking gives it I see it work everyday.  

 

 

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October 25, 2013 8:54:43 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Been using MSE since it first came out and have never had a virus that wasn't caught by it. Works perfectly for me, and I have been using computers since the were terminal punch card and printout machines with no monitors! Don't care what other so called "testing" sites say, MSE does the job.

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November 3, 2013 9:25:17 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I have been using MSE from since it came out and it has caught one or two trojans i also have comodo firewall and advanced windows care installed so usually if something gets past one of them then the other program gets it namely Comodo firewall! now that's actually stopped a virus in it's tracks before it had even downloaded

Until i hear otherwise i'll still be using it till it gets discontinued

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November 3, 2013 11:15:29 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

The issue I have found with a lot of antivirus software is conflicts with other software or even worse changing system settings. I recently purchased BitDefender because I had it installed a few years back and it seemed to do the job well. Once I installed it there were changes made to my network settings and I could no longer share media with my Samsung tv through MediaPlay. No matter what I tried I could not get those setting back the way they were. Certain services could not be started. I ditched BD even though I paid for it and tried to install MSE. There was a MS message that popped up saying that my system had Windows Defender installed and that MSE was not needed. I did a google search and apparently Windows Defender as been improved significantly for windows 8.1. Anyone else know anything about this?

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November 3, 2013 11:33:43 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

This is not the first article I had read but it still refers to what I was talking about.  http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-81-the-key-security-improvements-229263

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November 3, 2013 11:37:21 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

JC, supposedly (I don't have W8.1):

"Microsoft claims that malware is “almost designed to talk to world,” so that’s a main weakness that could allow anti-virus software to detect and block it.

As a result, Windows Defender now comes with high-performance behavior monitoring, so the application automatically and anonymously sends an activity log to the cloud for analysis. Signatures may be issued only a few minutes later to make sure that you’re 100 percent protected.

Windows Defender can now identify malicious patterns based on behavior, which means that it could block malware aimed at files, registry, processes, threads, and network.
Windows Defender is the built-in anti-virus software offered to Windows 8 and 8.1 users and it cannot be uninstalled. The app is automatically disabled once you install a third-party security app and turned back on once you get rid of it." - http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Adds-Windows-Defender-Security-Features-in-Windows-8-1-365175.shtml

On the other hand, I found this which contradicts the quote above:

"Microsoft’s first priority, however, is to maintain the relationship that a user has struck with the third-party anti-malware provider, said Holly Stewart, the senior program manager from the Microsoft Malware Protection Center. “We have to work collaboratvely across the industry,” she said.

”As a customer goes into an unprotected state, we want those antivirus vendors to be installed as the first upgrade source,” Stewart said. If the license has expired, the first thing Microsoft asks them to do is to go upgrade, she said."

To me, that looks like MS is trying to be noncompetitive, which isn't exactly reassuring (at least to me).

 

Not sure this really answers anything for you...

Did you discuss your problems with BitDefender or look in their Forums? Sounds like a configuration issue...

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November 3, 2013 12:01:49 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Thanks for the info Doc. I sent a report to BD but have yet to here from them. I guess I probably should look at the forums if I still want to use it.

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November 3, 2013 2:05:04 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting BigDogBigFeet,
I have both active in real time protection
Usually a recipe for problems. YMMV. 

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November 3, 2013 2:49:50 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

With some Jim, but those two work well together without conflicts as far as I've read.

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