Taking The Windows 8 Plunge

Need technical advice/opinions

By on September 23, 2013 2:19:06 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

RedneckDude

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Ok guys, I have been dual booting Windows 7 and Windows 8 ever since last October when I bought Windows 8.

So far, 7 has been my default OS, with 8 just being a toy/learning tool, mainly.

I am about sure that I want to make 8 my new default OS.

 

Ok, now, both OSes are currently installed on SSDs. 7 on a 256 GB SSD, 8 on a 120 GB SSD.

Naturally, I'll want to have my default OS on the larger/faster drive, I guess. I have good disc images of both drives.

So, in swapping SSDs/OSes,

 

My questions are:

 

     1. Should I just blow the 8 image into the 7 drive, and vice versa?

     2. Should I do fresh installs?  (I'd have to reinstall all my software, ouch!) 

     3. Does it work ok to put an image from one SSD onto a different SSD?

     4. Any other advice?

 

 

Any opinions and advice will be greatly appreciated. (Other than the typical "Ditch Windows 8 and be happy." response...hehe.)

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September 23, 2013 2:25:12 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

 

oops...nevermind

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September 23, 2013 2:39:26 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


yeah based on the title, I thought this thread was going to show a picture of a copy of windows 8 being flushed down the toilet

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September 23, 2013 3:07:10 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

So Rnd, just what is the bottom line then? 

It seems that some of the folks that have made the switch to Windows 8 as their default OS have been strangers or come up amongst the lost on WC. 

Just kidding......         

But then where is starkers? 

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September 23, 2013 3:10:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Do you have a lot of software installed on Windows 8?  I haven't done image restores (aside from corruption problems) in a while.  I personally find it better to do a clean install, but that's just me.

 

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September 23, 2013 3:17:46 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Fresh install, remember GPT disk format and uEFI set-up (from a USB) and fast-boot setting before you install anything (its baked-in at install).

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September 23, 2013 3:43:58 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Island Dog,
Do you have a lot of software installed on Windows 8?

No, but I do on 7.

 

 

Quoting Island Dog,
I personally find it better to do a clean install, but that's just me.

 

Well, if I do that, I lose any giveawayoftheday software I have installed, which wouldn't be the end of the world, I suppose.

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September 23, 2013 3:44:57 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting TwoWolves,

Fresh install, remember GPT disk format and uEFI set-up (from a USB) and fast-boot setting before you install anything (its baked-in at install).

I'd be needing that explained a bit more. It's clear as mud to me. 

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September 23, 2013 3:45:47 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

IF you want windows8 to run on the SSD you will have to make a fresh install
activate AHCI for the SSD in bios settings before you go and install to get the full performance. Out of the drive -
Fast boot is not needed and if you wish you can activate all the other shit later but AHCI should be on !

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September 23, 2013 3:47:11 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

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September 23, 2013 3:49:52 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Rolo, Windows 8 IS on an SSD and I already have the UEFI bios set to AHCI mode. I have been running 8 for a year now on an SSD, as well as 7.

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September 23, 2013 4:05:27 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

uhm ok... well but what did you install first ? windows 7 or 8
Also if both OS are on the same SSD drive it would be wise to make a clean install aswell unless you want to manualy delete all the stuff of windows 7 the long bootmgr files ( remeber the topic where i spoke about the dual boot thing )
You could delete those boot files manualy but its a lot more work than just throwing the disk in the drive and follow the instructions for a clean system since you will have to install all the programs again on windows8 anyway.
still if you want to try this... 
I picked up the first simple tut because i run out of time here ( have to go to uni tomorrow)  you should be able to pull it off manual this way
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/210983-dual-boot-delete-os.html

But i think it would be easier to just clear the disk and start installing what you need you could still get all your files then from the backup drive and your system would be silky smooth then. (since the windows8 install is fast, it would take about equally the time)

The thing is if you upgrade your windows7 it wont be as fast if you install windows8 directly ( in terms of speed of the OS ) 
It would be nice if that would actually work the way it should...
You could then simply delete the win 8 partition, but sadly that does not work at least it did not for me when i upgraded ( only did that when windows8 came out to see how the speed is ) But shortly after i made a fresh install ^_~ 

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September 23, 2013 4:32:43 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Rolo I think you are missing something here.

Jim wrote this above                         "Ok, now, both OSes are currently installed on SSDs. 7 on a 256 GB SSD, 8 on a 120 GB SSD."

I don't have the answers but I know you and others have a lot of knowledge. So again here is what he really needs to know as he said above

  1. Should I just blow the 8 image into the 7 drive, and vice versa?

     2. Should I do fresh installs?  (I'd have to reinstall all my software, ouch!) 

     3. Does it work ok to put an image from one SSD onto a different SSD?


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September 23, 2013 6:33:53 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Never mind. Rolo already said it.

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September 23, 2013 6:45:45 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Wow seems like everyone went around your question.   You can clone SSDs I read that... there was a problem with getting the clone to begin recording at the exact beginning point of the drive.  As well, if you are looking to switch those ssd drives... You will have to get it perfect three or four times s.    Try looking into that issue though if you try it and run into problems.  Another thing you should consider is getting a big storage drive and hotsynching those two drives.   My Cooler Master Storm/Trooper has a ssd slot on top I was thinking of doing that exact thing.  Coupled with a drive to store all your programs you wouldn't need to move anything from where its at.  Hope this helps.   

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September 23, 2013 7:51:25 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

 

 

Quoting Roloccolor,
uhm ok... well but what did you install first ? windows 7 or 8Also if both OS are on the same SSD drive

 

 

Ok, now, both OSes are currently installed on SSDs. 7 on a 256 GB SSD, 8 on a 120 GB SSD.

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September 23, 2013 7:55:08 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Roloccolor,
The thing is if you upgrade your windows7 it wont be as fast if you install windows8 directly

 

I am not upgrading 7 to 8. I already have both installed, on two seperate SSDs. I was thinking I may want 8 on the bigger drive now, but it is on the smaller. 7 is on the bigger drive.

 

 

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September 23, 2013 7:57:26 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting KenBennett,

Wow seems like everyone went around your question.   You can clone SSDs I read that... there was a problem with getting the clone to begin recording at the exact beginning point of the drive.  As well, if you are looking to switch those ssd drives... You will have to get it perfect three or four times s.    Try looking into that issue though if you try it and run into problems.  Another thing you should consider is getting a big storage drive and hotsynching those two drives.   My Cooler Master Storm/Trooper has a ssd slot on top I was thinking of doing that exact thing.  Coupled with a drive to store all your programs you wouldn't need to move anything from where its at.  Hope this helps.   

 

 

Dunno what "hot synching" means.  I have in my PC, 2 SSDs, 4 platter drives, and a 2 TB external USB 3.0.

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September 23, 2013 8:38:13 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

1. Should I just blow the 8 image into the 7 drive, and vice versa?

2. Should I do fresh installs? (I'd have to reinstall all my software, ouch!)

3. Does it work ok to put an image from one SSD onto a different SSD?

4. Any other advice?

1. Yes

2. No

3. Yes

4. not really.

[dunno what all the others were smoking.....

....but I want some]...

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September 23, 2013 9:28:16 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
[dunno what all the others were smoking.....
....but I want some]...

 

 

Thanks Jafo. Now I must clean my screen.  

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September 24, 2013 12:53:12 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

mhhh i thought i was on point with what i wrote...

dual boot system ( both are on the same drive running in partition ) ups!
7 on the large SSD and windows8 on the small

Sorry Jim it was late 
I didnt read that you used two drives for your dual boot thought you had them in partition (sorry)

 1. Should I just blow the 8 image into the 7 drive, and vice versa? -No If you want to run windows8 with full speed and without bugs!

     2. Should I do fresh installs?  (I'd have to reinstall all my software, ouch!) 
Yes - ( you could also upgrade win7 to windows8 but as far as i know that doesn´t work the way it should and windows8 will not have the performance it has when you install it on a clean drive, for whatever reason)
Therefore i also say NO to No.1 

     3. Does it work ok to put an image from one SSD onto a different SSD?
Depends what you mean with that -If you make a image file you can store it where ever you like ( if you mean - to drop an image of windows7 system folders and allprogs onto  windows8 installation to keep the programs ...NO!!! ) But you can use a image created if it does not include system files on what ever drive you like.

     4. Any other advice
Make a backup of pictures skins wallpapers that are stored on the SSD



 

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September 24, 2013 1:20:46 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Roloccolor,
Sorry Jim it was late

Rolo's still miles away...

Jim.... I'm typing this on a Win 7 Ult 64 install....on a 256gig SSD.

It was an image relocated from the original install on a 60gig SSD.

It works just fine [actually better...because the drive is bigger and thus has more 'headroom'...

Imaging relocation DOES work, and the OS itself can manage the drive resizing...

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September 24, 2013 8:32:08 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Roloccolor,
If you make a image file you can store it where ever you like ( if you mean - to drop an image of windows7 system folders and allprogs onto windows8 installation to keep the programs ...NO!!! )

 

Rolo, I appreciate all the advice, but I think you're still a bit confused about what I want to do. I never had any intention of dropping Win 7 progs and folders into a Win 8 install....lol.  Of course that wouldn't work, duh.

I simply want to restore my images into different drives than they came from. It should work fine.

 

 

 

 

Ok, I think I'll go the birthday boy's route. What the hey, I always have my backup images, and redundants as well, to fall back on.

 

Thanks to everyone for the advice!

 

Jafo, I'll give it a go later today, I'll be back with results.   Happy birthday, BTW.

 

Thanks!

 

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September 25, 2013 5:10:39 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

OK, I tried 3 times. It isn't working. it keeps asking for a repair and it keeps telling me it can't repair it.       

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September 25, 2013 5:54:33 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

redneck, I have done similar to what you want to do(usually to replace a dying drive before it gets too sick) using a program called HDClone (have used it for this sort of task over 50 times) btw it can also create a backup image onto an external (removable)hdd so you can have both images backed up and restore the one you want to onto the drive you want to.

harpo

 

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