The Splatter Effect, or How to Cripple the Internet

By on March 29, 2013 11:19:54 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Very few doubt the importance of the internet for business, communication and well, you name it.

Along with the progress come the criminals and those seeking to do business by stealing the goods of others and selling them more cheaply or even for “free” along with malware as a bonus offering.

So, many folks have had it and are fed up to the gills with large firms which maintain servers known to be spam warehouses (and ripped stuff as well).

This is the setting for the cyber war which slowed Europe’s internet (and since it’s all connected, to a lesser degree elsewhere).

Cyberbunker is a “controversial” web host company in Holland. They are quite “zealous” in “protecting” their customers’ “rights” by blocking those who distribute “terrorist related material” or “illicit images of children”. No argument from me… certainly about the latter. However, I can't find any exact definitions or examples of what they consider "over the boundary". Could be a case of "I can't define it but know it when I see it." at least regarding the former. I don't even wish to consider the latter.

Spamhaus recently blocked traffic from Cyberbunker. The grounds? It was allowing its servers to mass spam. Of course, Cyberbunker claimed free speech violation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21954636). Hmmm. The refuge of villains, or are they right?

So, for several days, allegedly someone acting on the behalf of Cyberbunker attacked Spamhaus’s servers using DDoS attacks… supposedly with bogus traffic reaching 300GB/sec (six times the size used on banking and governmental sites). The prior “Guinness record” was 100 GB/sec (for stats fans), supposedly. This represents a serious escalation of "hostilities".

Supposedly, this caused slow downs and jams of up to 40%. Others dispute this.

“One expert said that 300 gigabits per second is a huge amount of traffic for a single website to handle, but this has virtually no impact on the wider Internet.” - http://www.infopackets.com/news/security/2013/20130329_internet_spam_feud_results_in_huge_ddos_attack.htm

Apparently these two operations have a long history of "not liking" each other.

So, any folks in Europe notice Internet slowing?

Does anyone have an opinion? Does anyone have a "right" to inconvenience others this way (if they actually did)?

Read more here:  http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/when-spammers-go-to-war-behind-the-spamhaus-ddos/

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March 29, 2013 12:24:06 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well, if it is a known fact that a company is serving up SPAM, Trojans, Viruses, WAREZ, child porn or anything similar to these on their servers, and they allow it, I would personally like someone to arrange for sending 10TB's/sec at them! Better yet, I hope their servers blow up or all their hard drives get fried. Showing them any mercy at all is not even a consideration.

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March 29, 2013 12:28:39 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Does anyone have an opinion?

Of course.

They are quite “zealous” in “protecting” their customers’ “rights” by blocking those who distribute “terrorist related material” or “illicit images of children”.

I'm ok with that.

Spamhaus recently blocked traffic from Cyberbunker. The grounds? It was allowing its servers to mass spam.

I'm ok with that (the blocking of the mass spam source.)

So, for several days, allegedly someone acting on the behalf of Cyberbunker attacked Spamhaus’s servers using DDoS attacks

I'm not ok with that.  Those ddos attacks get pointed at whomever someone is aggravated at on any given day.  It's a punk move.

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March 29, 2013 12:42:47 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

As an average user on Internet, what I found more interesting in this story is that Cyberbunker is actually housed in a real NATO bunker that was built to withstand nuclear and biological warfare. Also it was never officially reclaimed to Netherlands territory so the people living inside have proclaimed it Republic of Cyberbunker and given themselves titles of Kings and such. Bunch of crazy people

Also police tried to force entry into the bunker but could not. Even SWAT came and failed

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March 29, 2013 1:09:39 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting TorinReborn,
Also police tried to force entry into the bunker but could not. Even SWAT came and failed

Wrong tactics....

Nope, what's needed is a hippy looking bloke who appears to be selling weed and/or anything else that wankers like this might be interested in.  So he goes up to the door, knocks and calls out "Weed, get your weed here.... weed, roll up and get your weed."

Okay, so when they open the door cos the saw him on the surveillance cameras, he gives 'em a sample or three to make 'em a little more compliant, and when they're 3 parts stoned he calls in his SAS buddies to round 'em all up.... no gunfire, no violence, no casualties... problem solved.

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March 29, 2013 1:38:39 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Just block the air vents and water/power/sewage lines... no need for violence. Of course, that's assuming they aren't into cannibalism.

 

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March 29, 2013 1:44:51 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,

Just block the air vents and water/power/sewage lines... no need for violence. Of course, that's assuming they aren't into cannibalism.

 

I don't think the police have the right to do that lol. 

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March 29, 2013 1:56:55 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Bunker = Tomb

 

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March 29, 2013 2:04:31 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting TorinReborn,
Cyberbunker is actually housed in a real NATO bunker that was built to withstand nuclear and biological warfare. Also it was never officially reclaimed to Netherlands territory so the people living inside have proclaimed it Republic of Cyberbunker and given themselves titles of Kings and such. Bunch of crazy people

Nonsense... The bunker was allowed by Holland to be used by NATO. Cyberbunker isn't NATO. So, either NATO designated forces or Dutch forces can break in, roll them up and throw their Pirate butts in jail, where they belong. Less "kid glove" and legal BS... and more justice, thanks.

 

Quoting TorinReborn,
I don't think the police have the right to do that lol.

They do here... and honestly, it could really prevent needless loss of life.

 

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March 29, 2013 7:31:15 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

There has to be a physical pipeline out of the place which carries their traffic.  Could be cut with modest effort it would seem.

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March 29, 2013 7:39:48 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Daiwa,

There has to be a physical pipeline out of the place which carries their traffic.  Could be cut with modest effort it would seem.

 

This guy has a point. Cutting their power and internet is probably a whole lot more effective than cutting their food and water.

 

They do call it Cyberbunker for a reason.

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March 29, 2013 7:53:42 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Yeah... wouldn't want the poor darlings to sit in their own stink and starve, would we?

You bet your ass I would.

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March 29, 2013 10:15:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting WebGizmos,
Bunker = Tomb

Exactly.

Read them the whatever-equivalent of The Riot Act and inform them they have 30 minutes to cease and vacate the premises.

Then employ the sevices of the local 'ready-mix' and seal their 'bunker' permanently.

 

It's a fair bet that 'eventually' the cyber attacks etc will cease.  You can safely count on that.

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March 29, 2013 10:33:03 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Knock, knock....we're coming in.

The US has a series of custom made bombs to penetrate hardened or deeply buried structures:

Depth of PenetrationWeapon Systems
Penetration of reinforced concrete: 1.8 m (6 ft) BLU-109 Penetrator GBU-10, GBU-15, GBU-24, GBU-27, AGM-130
Penetration of reinforced concrete: 3.4 m (11 ft) BLU-116 Advanced Unitary Penetrator (AUP) GBU-15, GBU-24, GBU-27, AGM-130
BLU-118/B Thermobaric Warhead GBU-15, GBU-24, AGM-130
Penetration of reinforced concrete: more than 6 m (20 ft) BLU-113 Super Penetrator GBU-28, GBU-37

More recently, the US has developed the 30,000-pound GBU-57.

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March 29, 2013 10:54:18 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Nah...my option is both far cheaper and more environmentally friendly...

It's the GREEN ALTERNATIVE....

....should appeal to all the touchy-feelies out there....

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March 29, 2013 10:55:53 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Oh...and left just the appropriate length of time they could be processed and canned...and become fair-dinkum SPAM.

 

It's a win-win for all...;0

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March 29, 2013 11:14:10 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

All you guys sure have your pitch forks and torches out, ready to act a judge, jury and executioners for something that is not even proven.

I have a couple online people I know from Europe and they report no slowdowns. Maybe stop swallowing every drop of gism the MSMs are spraying at you.

"Oh my, oh my, will the government please step in and take control of the internets to protect us from these bad bad men". 

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March 30, 2013 12:10:53 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Actually...who gives a toss about net slowdowns...or not...?

If these cockroaches are spamming then that's more than sufficient reason to get out the Baygon.

I don't care who controls the net...just who controls/polices the distribution of spam....or not.

And while you're at it...anyone hosting/distributing warez .... just more roaches to snuff out.

Why should anyone get all upset about their 'civil rights'?  If you want to be "Niko above the law" then don't expect its protection.  Fuck 'em all, I say....

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March 30, 2013 12:14:39 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
Actually...who gives a toss about net slowdowns...or not...?
If these cockroaches are spamming then that's more than sufficient reason to get out the Baygon.
I don't care who controls the net...just who controls/polices the distribution of spam....or not.
And while you're at it...anyone hosting/distributing warez .... just more roaches to snuff out.

+1

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March 30, 2013 2:48:43 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting Jafo,
Why should anyone get all upset about their 'civil rights'?  If you want to be "Niko above the law" then don't expect its protection.  Fuck 'em all, I say....

Despite numerous allegations, CyberBunker managed to win every battle before a court of law. It became clear that the most reliable data center in the world was here to stay.

Since CyberBunker won the latest trial against city hall there were no more trials and no attempts have been made to enter the bunker by force since.
http://cyberbunker.com/web/history.php

I guess pitch forks and torches are all that's left... 

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March 30, 2013 6:09:09 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting myfist0,
I guess pitch forks and torches are all that's left...

If you're planning to dig a shovel might help too.

This made a small amount of news in a Australia too, something about crashing the internet. All someone would have to do is physically disconnect the servers or block them from wherever they join the internet.

Think its possible to weld the door shut? They'll have to come out at SOME point, I doubt they planed to live through a nuclear holocaust and broadcast Wikileaks to the surviving few governments that survived. Map control breaks turtles eventually in RTS games.

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March 30, 2013 6:35:17 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting myfist0,
All you guys sure have your pitch forks and torches out, ready to act a judge, jury and executioners for something that is not even proven.

Yeah. There was a pic of 'em flying a Pirate flag on the bunker. Stealing starkers', Karen's, Shaunna's, Ed's and my flag? That alone rates them sealing off the bunker... with them inside.

Here's the pic of the pouty little poser I saw yesterday!

 

Hey Paul... You sure they really have to get that 30 minute warning?

 

Quoting DrJBHL,
Yeah... wouldn't want the poor darlings to sit in their own stink and starve, would we?
You bet your ass I would.

Quoting Jafo,
If these cockroaches are spamming then that's more than sufficient reason to get out the Baygon.
I don't care who controls the net...just who controls/polices the distribution of spam....or not.
And while you're at it...anyone hosting/distributing warez .... just more roaches to snuff out.
Why should anyone get all upset about their 'civil rights'? If you want to be "Niko above the law" then don't expect its protection. Fuck 'em all, I say....

There ya go.

Eff 'em and the horse they rode in on.  Then? Turn 'em into Soylent Green.

 

I'm liking Schweiz... Sehr gemütlick, bud. Welcome to WC.  

 

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March 30, 2013 7:25:33 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

US also has a siege engine, quite a few of them in fact. They're called M1Abrams1/2 MBT's.

A few of them starin' 'em in the face might get a chuckle or two. Boom!

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March 30, 2013 7:59:08 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Hey Paul... You sure they really have to get that 30 minute warning?

Doc.... the 'Riot Act' is quite spwcific .... has a formal protocol.  It has only been read once on the Australian mainland in its history....

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March 30, 2013 8:40:17 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Was 'the biggest cyberattack in history' all just a PR stunt?

It has been called one of the biggest ever cyberattacks in history, one that nearly broke the internet. But did you even notice? If not, you're not alone …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/shortcuts/2013/mar/28/spamhaus-internet-attack-pr-stunt

 

DDoS attack against Spamhaus overhyped, says website watcher Keynote

Much of the news reporting about the massive denial-of-service attack against anti-spam service Spamhaus over the past week or so went way too far in describing it as creating a slowdown on the Internet itself, says one company monitoring website performance.

The massive distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack on Spamhaus -- which has many enemies as it seeks to stop Internet spam -- was a stunning event in that at some point the DDoS attack reached 300 billion bits per second, which likely does make it the most intense DDoS attack in history in terms of sheer speed. But when many in the media somehow ended up reporting that this DDoS attack last week caused a global slowdown, that was simply wrong, says Keynote Systems, which does global monitoring of websites for performance.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/032813-spamhaus-keynote-268213.html 


So, 2 independent companies that monitor traffic are calling BS ... 

pathetic ...

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March 30, 2013 8:57:11 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 21Hey Paul... You sure they really have to get that 30 minute warning?

Doc.... the 'Riot Act' is quite spwcific .... has a formal protocol.  It has only been read once on the Australian mainland in its history....

Specific, too.

Yes... a student of history as well - but, as they say, "That was Zen, this is now."

Was referring to the jurisdiction... Holland isn't England nor Australia.    Imagine... real scalps to collect.

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