CES 2013 - Your Next Laptop Will Have Touch

By on January 13, 2013 10:31:20 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Whether or not you like it, Intel’s going to do it… especially with Windows 8. Don’t bother fighting it: “Resistance is futile.”

Your choices will revolve around:

Convertible: Like the Lenovo Yoga or the HP EliteBook Revolve have the swivel screens which don’t detatch and have the guts under the keyboard so these will be higher performance systems due to cooling.

Detatchable: There are a host of these like HP’s Envy x2, and the Samsung ATIV Smart PC. If you want a look see, here’s the Lenovo ThinkPad Helix. These will be lower powered and more power efficient… think, “longer battery life”… true except for the ThinkPad Helix which will have an Intel Ivy Bridge chip, and therefore will go very well with W8 Pro. Intel also has the “Y” Ivy Bridge chip which should extend battery life. The chip requires a fan, so even with the lower power demand, battery life will not be great.

Have a good weekend!

Source:

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34435_1-57563657/ces-postscript-the-touch-laptop-like-it-or-not/

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January 13, 2013 10:38:09 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Hehehe, not here Doc, have never owned or used a laptop, but then I am set in my ways.  What's the phrase for that.....'a stick in the mud'.  

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January 13, 2013 12:03:54 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Fantastic... now I have even smeary screens on my laptop too...

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January 13, 2013 4:24:11 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

A laptop with touch would be very annoying. I will not be getting one.

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January 13, 2013 6:04:52 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Not me! I like mine just the way it is thank you very much. I'll rebuild it if I have to.

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January 13, 2013 8:02:09 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Actually, at work I have a laptop with a touch screen. It comes in quite handy especially since you can flip the screen around and use the device as a tablet.

It isn't annoying at all and once again this is a thread that falls under the category of "if you haven't tried it, honestly tried it for a VALID period of time, then your statements that dictate "how it would be"... are absolutely pointless and not even worth the space that you typed them in.

But of course... minds change.. sometimes for no other reason than the wind changing direction or the humidity dropping...

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January 13, 2013 8:53:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

if you don't like it: just don't touch it, you'll notice no difference

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January 13, 2013 9:16:51 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Phoon,
this is a thread that falls under the category of "if you haven't tried it, honestly tried it for a VALID period of time, then your statements that dictate "how it would be"

I've had an "all in one" - 24" Sony VPCL 111fx/b touch screen for 3-3.5 years now. Love it. My lappy doesn't, but would love to have a convertible.

You gettin' me one, Phoon?

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January 13, 2013 9:21:04 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

No thanks... no touchy!

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January 13, 2013 10:23:51 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Phoon,
It isn't annoying at all and once again this is a thread that falls under the category of "if you haven't tried it, honestly tried it for a VALID period of time, then your statements that dictate "how it would be"... are absolutely pointless and not even worth the space that you typed them in.

Your thinking is not logical. Neither is your argument.

By your reasoning we have to try something before we can give a solid opinion. So how does that work with things like getting hurt? I sure don't want to get hurt just to share my opinion.

Same thing with this. I know that touchscreens are annoying. My daughter has a touchscreen on her tablet. I sure do not want on on my future notebook.

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January 14, 2013 12:50:47 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting kona0197,
By your reasoning we have to try something before we can give a solid opinion. So how does that work with things like getting hurt? I sure don't want to get hurt just to share my opinion.

Well that doesn't help your argument.

How do you describe 'hurt' without being so?

Guess?

A Kona comment.....and logic......mutually exclusive....

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January 14, 2013 2:00:44 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I don't know bout 'touch' on a desktop PC, given my current setup and the likelihood of aching arms, but I certainly can see its worth on a laptop device at close quarters. 

The thing is, I wasn't at all sure about 'touch' until owning a tablet and smartphone, but now I absolutely love it and find it extremely useful and convenient.  I will admit, though, I'm still coming to terms with using on-screen keyboards... but I will get the hang of it.

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January 14, 2013 2:26:57 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I take it the people complaining about a touch screen do not have a smart phone or tablet.....

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January 14, 2013 10:25:50 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I don't have a smart phone, laptop or a tablet, but I wasn't complaining.  At my point in life I don't have a need for either of those devices.  Yes I have a cell phone, it's just not a smart phone.  

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January 14, 2013 10:37:42 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Exstasy,
I take it the people complaining about a touch screen do not have a smart phone or tablet.....

Actually I have a touch screen smart phone, but I don't find it to be anything special at all. It's only touch screen because of its screen size and it has to be to operate efficiently, but with a desktop PC or a laptop I would rather have a keyboard and mouse, touch screen is not needed at all for me.

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January 14, 2013 10:48:43 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Actually, for a screen (touch or not) to get greasy/smeared or dirty, one needn't necessarily touch it by hand... just hold a regular 'candy bar' phone (or other) up to your ear, and you'll have oil on it...

 

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January 14, 2013 11:00:16 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Actually, for a screen (touch or not) to get greasy/smeared or dirty, one needn't necessarily touch it by hand... just hold a regular 'candy bar' phone (or other) up to your ear, and you'll have oil on it...

 

 

Yep! ... and those screen protectors they try to sell you are useless too.

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January 14, 2013 12:13:16 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

And soon your USB 3.0 will be able to tranfer 10Gbits/s instead of 5Gbits   also announced at the CES

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January 14, 2013 1:15:40 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


If there is no 'hard disable switch', than I won't be buying.

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January 14, 2013 2:24:08 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Roloccolor,
And soon your USB 3.0 will be able to tranfer 10Gbits/s instead of 5Gbits   also announced at the CES

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January 14, 2013 9:17:40 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting LightStar,
It's only touch screen because of its screen size and it has to be to operate efficiently, but with a desktop PC or a laptop I would rather have a keyboard and mouse, touch screen is not needed at all for me.

 

You're right, but for the wrong reasons LightStar. Touch screens work well on phones/tablets not because of their size, but because they are used as a (held flat) horizontal control surface. The old keyboard/mouse you would rather use, is also used flat on your desk.

Prior to 2008, I taught Cad/Cam at night school. One thing I never got used to, was writing on a chalkboard. As a vertical surface, using a chalkboard is a pain in the ass. If you don't believe me, try this out for yourself with a couple sheets of paper. It takes far less effort to write on a sheet of paper held flat on a table, over writing on a paper sheet held vertical on the wall.

Last year, I made the mistake of buying a Kinect for my Xbox 360. It seemed fun and novel at first. Not long after, everyone in the family went back to using the old gamepad/chatpad controlled games. Why? It takes less effort to hold a game controller flat in your hands over using your TV as a vertical control device with Kinect.

This is why I just don't see (vertical control) touch screens on laptop/desktops ever beating out (horizontal control) keyboard/mice as the preferred control method. Even worse, is that touch screens sell at a premium price point. Awkward to use, and more expensive to boot - doesn't sound like a very thought out marketing plan. Perhaps the folks at Intel/MS need to spend some more time in the classroom. (sorry for the pun)

 

 

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January 15, 2013 8:09:00 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting ZippyIp,

Quoting LightStar, reply 15 It's only touch screen because of its screen size and it has to be to operate efficiently, but with a desktop PC or a laptop I would rather have a keyboard and mouse, touch screen is not needed at all for me.

 

You're right, but for the wrong reasons LightStar. Touch screens work well on phones/tablets not because of their size, but because they are used as a (held flat) horizontal control surface. The old keyboard/mouse you would rather use, is also used flat on your desk.

Prior to 2008, I taught Cad/Cam at night school. One thing I never got used to, was writing on a chalkboard. As a vertical surface, using a chalkboard is a pain in the ass. If you don't believe me, try this out for yourself with a couple sheets of paper. It takes far less effort to write on a sheet of paper held flat on a table, over writing on a paper sheet held vertical on the wall.

Last year, I made the mistake of buying a Kinect for my Xbox 360. It seemed fun and novel at first. Not long after, everyone in the family went back to using the old gamepad/chatpad controlled games. Why? It takes less effort to hold a game controller flat in your hands over using your TV as a vertical control device with Kinect.

This is why I just don't see (vertical control) touch screens on laptop/desktops ever beating out (horizontal control) keyboard/mice as the preferred control method. Even worse, is that touch screens sell at a premium price point. Awkward to use, and more expensive to boot - doesn't sound like a very thought out marketing plan. Perhaps the folks at Intel/MS need to spend some more time in the classroom. (sorry for the pun)

 

 

 

My reasons I feel are valid too, but I never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right too!

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January 15, 2013 8:23:23 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

a laptop with touch makes more sense than those pesky touchpads that they have for mouse substitute. hate those.

 

not that i use laptops that often

 

Quoting Roloccolor,
And soon your USB 3.0 will be able to tranfer 10Gbits/s instead of 5Gbits   also announced at the CES
only if you change cables?

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January 15, 2013 8:38:59 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

All the reasons in the world don't stop "juggernauts" - unfortunately.

One of the few things which might would be MS changing W8... which is the major driver of this and what are the chances of that?

W8 is a good OS for tablets and tablet-laptop hybrids... but its sales are not going well. One of the ways to improve that will be laptops with touch screens.

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January 15, 2013 10:08:27 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

i don't get the complaining honestly. nobody is forced to touch the screen (i wont, smears on the tablet are enough).

don't fool yourself thinking laptops would be cheaper without it. new devices will always cost about the same (+ inflation) as new devices did cost last year, they just have better specs.

i think the more input options we have the better. be it only for accessibilty for disabled people.

 

i am not sure about hybrids and convertibles though. the more mechanical stuff is involved the easier something will break. actually i'm not even sure about laptops at all. mine did not move one meter since i got this iPad. an all-in-one pc will be more tempting should it stop to work one day.

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January 15, 2013 11:25:49 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

you can disable the screen as an input device in windows.

 

it is under control panel > pen and touch.

 

I have a touch enabled laptop, i have turned off the touch, but kept on the pen. 

 

thus i can write without all the touchings messing everything up.

 

extra features which are turnoffable is not a problem. unless they add to the cost. to which. it does, but not by enough to make a difference.

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