No surprises. The war on your privacy continues…

By on November 20, 2012 11:19:32 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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This is nothing but an end run around the Fourth Amendment and Habaeus Corpus.

c|net has discovered this marked departure from Leahy’s prior approach:

“Leahy's rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies -- including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission -- to access Americans' e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge.

The list of agencies that would receive civil subpoena authority for the contents of electronic communications also includes the Federal Reserve, the Federal Trade Commission, the Federal Maritime Commission, the Postal Regulatory Commission, the National Labor Relations Board, and the Mine Enforcement Safety and Health Review Commission.” – c|net

This is beyond the pale. True, the bill does state police must get warrants in some cases, the new bill empowers the Federal agencies to trample your privacy with impunity… and agencies which have no legitimate excuse, if there were any.

The FBI and other law enforcement agencies already must obtain warrants for e-mail in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee, thanks to a ruling by the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in 2010.

While the 1980’s current legislation does need revamping, this isn’t it.

You need your voices to be heard, folks. If you’re quiet, you’ll deserve what you get.

Source:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57552225-38/senate-bill-rewrite-lets-feds-read-your-e-mail-without-warrants/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title

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November 20, 2012 12:06:34 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


Had you read those http://www.in5d.com/anonymous-judge-blows-the-whistle.html#.UKuMhSgQTmI.facebook

When I read those, most of them seem make sence to me and might be very truth...hmmm.

 

"Anonymous Judge Blows the Whistle: America is nothing more than a large Plantation and 'We the People' are the Slaves"

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November 20, 2012 12:38:46 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Land of the Free?  Seems like it's getting less and less so everytime a politician thinks, farts, opens his/her mouth.

Okay, maybe I was wrong to put "thinks" in there... so sue me. [where's the raspberry smiley when you need one?]

I know Australian politicians are all lying assholes and not worth a pinch of piss... but your lot.... worse... by far... like damned demonic worse.

I read recently that when a person emigrates from the US, cutting all business and employment ties and resettles [say] in Australia, it's law that he/she STILL HAS TO PAY TAXES IN THE US.  Like f**k!!  I mean, how ludicrous is that... having to support life here AND one there?   I know of one such family, been here for 40 years paying taxes, and now the US gov't is hitting them for 4 decades of back taxes on income derived here.  Worse still, our effwit, lying, cheating, backstabbing politicians are doing nothing to help them....because they're f**king puppets of the US gov't?

Even more ludicrous, one of them was just 6 when she arrived here.... but according to them, she owes taxes to the US govt for a period of 19 years employment [on Australian soil... AND AS AN AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN] prior to getting married. 

It's insane, totally insane!!

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November 20, 2012 1:29:26 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting starkers,
like damned demonic worse

You're too kind to them.

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November 20, 2012 1:36:15 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I really feel like 'shopping' them all into WWII uniforms... Axis variety.

Can anyone tell me the difference between this and the Gestapo?

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November 20, 2012 2:19:52 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Okay, but is it going to have a computer read it or an intern? I want to start some military comedy. It would be great free publicity to start out a few emails with bomb or death to America. Then I can put in some of my material and ask for feedback from the guys spying on me. 

 

I think I just took viral marketing to a whole new level. A national security level.

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November 20, 2012 2:34:23 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Freedom ends not with a bang, but with a whimper of security and safety.

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November 20, 2012 2:34:53 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

When they put the SS on their sleeves then its time to exit this house. And I agree with starkers........when it comes to corruption the US has no equal. That and charging those who decided to get the hell out of this cesspool for back taxes! On money they made over there! That......is downright criminal!

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November 20, 2012 2:47:26 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Before "The Government" worries about everybody's email they might want to pay attention to their own.  It would be a lot more efficient.  "Thousands of pages" of flirtatious email? Really?

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November 20, 2012 2:47:46 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well, if they vote this law in, it's our own damn fault for voting them in. Find me a good and honest politician anywhere in this country and I'll give you $5.00. I won't have to worry about that though, as no one could prove they're good and honest.

 

Also, a US Citizen living and earning an income abroad would have to make a heck of a lot of money over there, over $95K a year, to need to worry about taxes. They do have to file every year though just like the rest of us.

http://www.moneytalksnews.com/2012/06/05/ask-stacy-do-i-have-to-pay-taxes-if-im-not-in-the-u-s/

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November 20, 2012 3:00:25 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

You guys have lost a lot of civil liberties since the Patriot Act started making its mucky grabs. It really is a diverging point in history compared to other, more free cultures. Maybe you'll recover eventually. I shudder to think what another successful terrorist act would do to you though.

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November 20, 2012 3:04:21 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


I believe too many people in amercian though they had a power to vote but a trap...those USA Goverment encourage people vote so they believe in lie and be a sheep, those vote are nothing....it's had been select who would be before even Major "people" vote, so those vote are fake and scam since I'm living in amercain all my life, Best is not play those game (not vote any two crap or evil since it's evil, is evil, nothing good, so no point, in fact divion and conquer, divion and conquer, they set up two race for president but it's all act and game to them paid doing this...worst than a hollywood movies because they mess people's live rather than that. I mean how is that hard to be kindness, and doing good to people yet those goverment keep doing evil and wicked to major people all time....if peope angry, and goverment opp sorry, blame that guy and keep doing evil to people in new way, still.....

 

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November 20, 2012 4:47:51 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Make your voices heard in Washington, people.

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November 20, 2012 5:04:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I don't know why you are upset. Various agencies have been monitoring your email, facebook and twitter comments all along. The only problem is that they would not be able to use what they find in court. However, this does provide them with leads that can be used to acquire warrants. This proposal would allow them to use anything they find against you even without a warrant.

Drop your pants and bend over...

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November 20, 2012 5:09:13 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Make your voices heard in Washington, people.
No good, evil would not listen and want to control, destory, steal..what is good of that make voice heard? They don't care about people they not know, they only care of themself, unless you make your voices to wake sheepie up, but that even little work as most sheep rather stay in comfort zone...as feed animal full, they not worry and be comfort till day upon time to slauger them for food, so fat and comfort unable to fight...like a frog boiled slowing in pot... (Thank to free handout...I guess..)

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November 20, 2012 5:10:27 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting kku,
I don't know why you are upset. Various agencies have been monitoring your email, facebook and twitter comments all along. The only problem is that they would not be able to use what they find in court. However, this does provide them with leads that can be used to acquire warrants. This proposal would allow them to use anything they find against you even without a warrant.

Drop your pants and bend over...
Let them waste thier time in thier lifetime, it's show they are not very useful in this life by seek other people to ruined other people's life...

 

Beside: I wouldn't drop my pant and bend over as my ass is very nasty and unclean, fart lot...I don't think they want to get near of me as well, so no worry...LOL Even beauful women don't want me as well...

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November 20, 2012 5:43:58 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

None of this surprises me...and it will only get worse.

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November 20, 2012 7:30:02 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Some war, we have pea-shooters against their patriots. More like an assault on the unarmed.

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November 20, 2012 7:42:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Dunno why you all fret so much.

Going to the US meant I had a retinal scan/photo and my fingerprints taken....going up the Empire State meant also I had my undies sniffed.

...and the crew-cut grunt who wanted to know why I was wearing sunglasses....[it's called glare, you fucking moron].

None of that bullshit happens in Oz....

 

"Why are you visiting the US?"

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass....and I'm all out of bubblegum...."

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November 20, 2012 8:23:23 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

America is just a police state. There is no liberty, there is no freedom and there is no right of the self.

 

America has gone the way of the romans but the reason it will work is because any attempt at revolt will trigger a wattling street scenario where the heroic boadiccas are stereotyped as bin ladens and tim mcveighs.

 

This is actually the goal - the government WANTS to be provoked into unleashing the full lockdown because without provocation it would be injust, but if there were any believable attempt, they could justify it.

 

1984 has been among us for a very long time now, before september 11. The only difference between now and back then is now they have the 9/11 excuse to pivot away from privacy and into imaginary enemies and closet monsters. (Will the next law be that all americans must have government CCTV in their houses just in case the boogeyman or closet monster wants to abduct a child? what about the babies? surely if you are not hiding a closet monster then you should not be afraid?)

 

I find it amazing that in college, every single thing i learn that is "against academic stme andards" for writing and speech (such as demagogy and usage of logical fallacies) are not only the norm of our society - it is the language, the script itself. Anyone who doesn't use them and make every issue into some "us and them" nonsense, they are ostracized and forced to "solve the crime" while those who use baseless conjecture and circular reasoning with red herrings are made very wealthy. The difference of conduct - that politicians and corporations are paid to use fallacies while everyone else is told not to use them is very revealing.

 

And the system can get away with it because it wants wattling street so it can claim provocation into war on closet monster terrorists. The presidents have never refused orders from the domestic program and military so it doesn't even matter who the president is - the decisions are always the same decision for the same reason with a different target. It is sad when the best hope our population has over the next 100 coming years is total collapse of our society followed by building a new national identity with a whole new set of laws, and a constitution that blocks orwellianism rather than one that promotes it.

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November 20, 2012 8:26:58 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

our constitution does block orwellianism. at least according to the people that wrote it. but its meaning has been twisted since then.

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November 20, 2012 8:29:14 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I guess no one found my viral marketing idea funny. You could make millions on spam that uses terrorist keywords though. Millions.

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November 20, 2012 8:36:40 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting Heavenfall,
You guys have lost a lot of civil liberties since the Patriot Act started making its mucky grabs. It really is a diverging point in history compared to other, more free cultures. Maybe you'll recover eventually. I shudder to think what another successful terrorist act would do to you though.

Hmm, I wonder if my middle-school prediction (around 9/11 post 9/11) will come true, that America will become a Fascist military police state.

Never could decide if I wanted to fight back or join ranks for the helluvit

Guess it depends if soldiers will get class/caste privileges or not

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November 20, 2012 8:40:31 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting seanw3,
I guess no one found my viral marketing idea funny. You could make millions on spam that uses terrorist keywords though. Millions.

Yanno, I liked the joke, but just now found the thread.

I dunno, I mean yea sending in material and/or spam/ advertisements with the keywords would be cool, but even just messing with them by using game-terminology extremely ambiguously to make it sound like something bad.

For example: "Did you move the Korean tactical nuke closer to Hawaii yet?" "I wonder how many bombers it will take to overcome their defenses."

 

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November 20, 2012 8:53:28 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,
going up the Empire State meant also I had my undies sniffed.

Let me guess - they handed you a form and you corrected the spelling on it.  That'll torque 'em off

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November 20, 2012 9:44:20 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Quoting seanw3,
Okay, but is it going to have a computer read it or an intern? I want to start some military comedy. It would be great free publicity to start out a few emails with bomb or death to America. Then I can put in some of my material and ask for feedback from the guys spying on me. 

 

I think I just took viral marketing to a whole new level. A national security level.

 

Yes, yes I will do this

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