Steve Sinofsky, the Driving Force Behind W8 “Has left the building”. Uh oh.

By on November 13, 2012 6:07:17 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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With Windows 8 barely out of the womb, this isn’t the best of news. He was the driving force behind the newest MS OS.

Julie Larson-Green who was a lead engineer of Windows 7 has been promoted to lead all Windows software and hardware engineering. Tami Reller will take on managing the business side of Windows. Good luck with that, Ms. Reller. Business hasn’t been embracing Windows 8.

MS hasn’t revealed Sinofsky’s reason for leaving and stated it was a “mutual decision”, not being a “team player” has been rumored. Sinofsky had nothing but good things to say about Microsoft.

“The timing of Sinofsky’s departure is surprising, given that it comes just weeks after the launch of Windows 8. Microsoft’s Windows 8 launch event was seen as underwhelming in some quarters, as it was a missed opportunity to connect with customers on changes to the new operating system. That was hardly the only bump with the Windows 8 debut. After a strong initial weekend of upgrades to Windows 8, some reports indicate that customers are responding slowly to Windows 8, particularly with some of its interface changes.” -  James Niccolai PCWorld

Maybe it's really about a good OS whose time really hasn't come just yet. Most folks don't rush to embrace change. Most folks don't really understand computers and learning "what they need" to do their work and interact is all they want. While younger people embrace connectivity and colorful change and being "with it", older folks (like me) like familiarity with the OS and a lack of having to learn something new, for better or worse.

Well, many saw Steve Sinofsky as Ballmer's "heir apparent". I guess that's not to be.

Source:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013853/windows-head-steven-sinofsky-leaves-microsoft.html

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November 13, 2012 9:49:38 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Guess he won't be the last to "abandon ship". Windows 8 has serious disaster potential for MS, especially when it has lost the chase for mobile platforms.

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November 13, 2012 9:59:28 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I grew up with computers around me, and once I got past 25 years of age or so, I became just like every old person I had ever met - fiercely resistant to learning new computer stuff. I wonder if the even younger generation is going to grow up just like me, or if they will learn to perpetually adopt new habits.

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November 13, 2012 12:24:00 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Hmm, oh well, they got $14.99 out of me and I'm sure even $40 out of others.  I haven't loaded it up on the computer though.

Wonder what their next move is?  Leaked screenshots of Windows 9...........

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November 13, 2012 1:07:10 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Yep, Windows 8, Microsoft Surface.... disasters. No doubt why he was let go or resigned in my mind.

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November 13, 2012 1:20:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

W8 RT/Surface sales appear to be "modest".

'Modest' isn't going to overtake Apple or Android.

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November 13, 2012 1:37:09 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

In my opinion, he didn't leave soon enough.

I sort of feel for the guy though. "I was responsible for Windows 8" is not something I would want on my resume. 

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November 13, 2012 2:04:07 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

"what they need" to do their work and interact is all they want.

That would be me (except of course I do want to be able to slap skins on it).   I just don't get excited about shiny new operating systems ever since Win98.  Honestly, if MS would offer an "extended patch period" of 5 years for say $50 for XP I'd buy it, just out of cheapness.

One other thing that may have been a mistake with Win8- MS decided to build it so that it would not install on older hardware without certain security capabilities, e.g. Pentium Northwoods and prior, even though it "runs better than Win7".  Not gonna buy it at any price if I can't install it.

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November 13, 2012 2:11:39 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I can learn the new system, I just don't see it as an improvement. It's really not that practical of an interface. It works for some things, but it makes some pretty general assumptions that just aren't the case for many PC's. The thing that makes me grumble about it is that if and when a new Windows OS fails, we don't get any recompense as customers. We have to pay full price to upgrade a year later to the new OS. If Stardock released a bad OS version, I would get the next one for free and an apology from the CEO. Still waiting on that for ME and Vista. Probably will want one for 8, but I will give a month to see how it functions.

 

Are we old grumpy OS purists or do we simply expect more customization and accommodation from an OS in 2012?

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November 13, 2012 2:38:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

This has been said more times then I care to remember but Microsoft's problem started when they thought making one OS for all devices was a good idea.

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November 13, 2012 2:46:24 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well, he has plenty of bucks for whatever he'll be doing next...

 

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November 13, 2012 4:49:35 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Philly0381,
This has been said more times then I care to remember but Microsoft's problem started when they thought making one OS for all devices was a good idea.

 

they needed something to sell their tablets though. i don't think many people would have been interested in a tablet that runs a successor to Windows Phone.  (yes, i know Windows Phone get's good reviews ... but how many people in real life do you know that bought one ... )

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November 13, 2012 4:54:20 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Oh, cute new avatar Doc! You're an old dinosaur?

 

That's OK, join the crowd.

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November 13, 2012 5:58:16 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting LightStar,
new avatar Doc

For a couple of months, Tom. 

Glad you like it.

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November 13, 2012 6:28:08 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,

Quoting LightStar, reply 12new avatar Doc

For a couple of months, Tom. 

Glad you like it.

Lol, shows you how much I pay attention.  I thought that was what you sent me in the PM, so I thought it was new.

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November 13, 2012 7:40:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,



Quoting LightStar,
reply 12
new avatar Doc


For a couple of months, Tom. 

Glad you like it.

One XRay to many for the Doctor.

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November 13, 2012 7:42:23 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I dunno.  I was slow to abandon XP because it 'worked' but once I had to use Win7 because there was no other option, I quickly became convinced I'd been stupidly stubborn.  Us old farts can learn to appreciate change.  I even came to prefer Office 2010 over prior versions (which also 'worked') though on that score the gains more or less equaled the losses - I just like the gains more than I miss the losses.

That aside, Sinofsky's departure has to mean they've been getting vicious private feedback to go along with the public scorn heaped on Win8.

The real problem is Ballmer (IMHO), but there's nobody to tell the silly emperor he has no clothes.

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November 13, 2012 9:56:14 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Daiwa,
The real problem is Ballmer (IMHO), but there's nobody to tell the silly emperor he has no clothes.

Yes, and probably why Sinofsky resigned.  Thing is, Win 8 is not a bad OS.  However, the changes are too great for some and it's not selling as well as perhaps Ballmer had hoped, meaning somebody has to be the fallguy, though Sinofsky jumped before he was pushed.  It's a shame, really, because Win 8 is a solid OS with a lot going for it, and being Sinofsky's brainchild it should really be him who takes Windows forward and into the next phase of modern computing.

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November 13, 2012 10:27:58 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting starkers,
It's a shame, really, because Win 8 is a solid OS with a lot going for it, and being Sinofsky's brainchild it should really be him who takes Windows forward and into the next phase of modern computing.

So you must have been talking about this then starkers, right?

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November 14, 2012 1:52:49 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Posted this in another thread but what the hell

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/why-steven-sinofsky-is-out-at-microsoft/

Moreover, if Windows 8 were the problem, there's no way that Julie Larson-Green would be selected to lead Windows engineering. Larson-Green was a trusted Sinofsky lieutenant who came with him to Windows from the Office team and led the development of Windows 8's controversial user interface. If Windows 8 does prove to be a failure, then it's as much on Larson-Green's head as it is Sinofsky's.

Use some common sense, people...it would be impossible to beat products available for years (Android or iOS) with products that've been generally available for less than a month.

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November 14, 2012 2:09:32 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting starkers,

Yes, and probably why Sinofsky resigned.  Thing is, Win 8 is not a bad OS.  However, the changes are too great for some and it's not selling as well as perhaps Ballmer had hoped, meaning somebody has to be the fallguy, though Sinofsky jumped before he was pushed.  It's a shame, really, because Win 8 is a solid OS with a lot going for it, and being Sinofsky's brainchild it should really be him who takes Windows forward and into the next phase of modern computing.

Quoting Savyg,
Posted this in another thread but what the hell

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/why-steven-sinofsky-is-out-at-microsoft/


Moreover, if Windows 8 were the problem, there's no way that Julie Larson-Green would be selected to lead Windows engineering. Larson-Green was a trusted Sinofsky lieutenant who came with him to Windows from the Office team and led the development of Windows 8's controversial user interface. If Windows 8 does prove to be a failure, then it's as much on Larson-Green's head as it is Sinofsky's.


Use some common sense, people...it would be impossible to beat products available for years (Android or iOS) with products that've been generally available for less than a month.

Two folks talking sense here.  

Windows 8 was never going to be an instant success.  It's a directional shift for MS.  Good or bad, it'll take time to play out.  Anyone observing that it isn't instantly number 1 in market share or that it isn't instantly the fastest growing thing ever is either clueless or has an axe to grind.   

Like any major initiative, they'll get some of it right and they'll adapt what they got wrong.  Apple didn't instantly get righted when Jobs came back.  Android wasn't the fastest growing mobile OS when they released it.  Those changes took years. 

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November 14, 2012 2:12:36 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Savyg,
Use some common sense, people...it would be impossible to beat products available for years (Android or iOS) with products that've been generally available for less than a month.

I believe that markets determine value. If MS builds a better mousetrap, then it'll sell very well. If not, then not. It might take time to reach the threshold necessary to go viral... ok. But, the market will decide. I hope Stardock's Start8, etc. will help MS. I like variety. I want everyone to succeed. However, Sinofsky's leaving MS so close to its launch was not a good thing... it does not send a message of "success".

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November 14, 2012 3:02:26 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Win 8 is nothing more than a test bed. Same as Vista with all the bloat. What works they'll keep...what doesn't goes to the the shit can. Win 9 will probably have the best of both 7 & 8. IMO

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November 14, 2012 3:08:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Microsoft screwed up.

They made a drastic difference to their OS without a way to go back to the way it was. 

The proper way to implement this would have been a dual-implementation and then gauge interest over whether customers like your 'new' setup.

Improvements to the background are great.

Deciding the best way to use a computer for me?  Not great.

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November 14, 2012 3:08:51 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Uvah,
Win 8 is nothing more than a test bed. Same as Vista with all the bloat. What works they'll keep...what doesn't goes to the the shit can. Win 9 will probably have the best of both 7 & 8. IMO

That would be the best thing for them.

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November 14, 2012 7:21:14 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
I believe that markets determine value. If MS builds a better mousetrap, then it'll sell very well. If not, then not. It might take time to reach the threshold necessary to go viral... ok. But, the market will decide. I hope Stardock's Start8, etc. will help MS. I like variety. I want everyone to succeed. However, Sinofsky's leaving MS so close to its launch was not a good thing... it does not send a message of "success".

I don't really care about Sinovsky.  I've heard enough about him over the years to think (despite obviously being very smart) he wasn't necessarily the best person to be affecting anything but the Windows team.  I agree that the timing is very awkward, but it's probably for the best.

Other than that...

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say.  Whatever the market decides, it still takes time to build a userbase.  Even if Windows 8 is generally viewed as fantastic, so is Windows 7 so there will be far less conversions.  Neither XP nor Vista were a great option when 7 rolled around, 7 was still a great option on 8s release.

It's unlikely 8 will sell as well just because of that.

Either way all my machines are being upgraded asap.

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