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June 16, 2012 8:37:44 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Man, I have an impending sense of foreboding that MS is going to cram this down our throats as fast as they can by eliminating as many other alternatives as possible.

Between Linux and Windows 8, I'd handily pick Linux now.

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June 16, 2012 9:20:32 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Good for the people that don't know what an OS is, bad for the rest of us.

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June 16, 2012 9:37:30 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

I've always wanted to downgrade my desktop workstation to a less powerful tablet that can't run third party software.  It's like a dream come true.

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June 16, 2012 9:47:56 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Tom, I guess you missed my  http://drjbhl.joeuser.com/article/412982/Windows_8_OEM_Wont_Allow_Other_OSs_to_Boot

But, after W8 comes out, The "Transformer AiO" is coming out... W8/Linux - boots to 8, but you press a button and *poof, Linux.

Check it out here:  http://drjbhl.joeuser.com/article/426278/Asus_Transformer_AiO_-_A_dual_boot_184_Tablet  - that's just a prototype, but...

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June 16, 2012 10:50:20 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Yeah, I guessed I missed that post Doc, but it does not matter as I will never be installing Windows 8. I just think that forcing a user to use an OS based on hardware (even if it can be disabled) is the most disgusting thing I ever heard of. Nothing gives Microsoft the right to even ask vendors to do that, absolutely NOTHING!  Almost makes me want to get rid of everything Microsoft on my PC's and switch to Ubuntu or something. I am that pissed off.

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June 16, 2012 1:21:02 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

So Microsoft is using their position in the current market place to put a choke hold on a user's freedom in the name of "their security"?  Sounds like a desperate attempt to scare people into doing what's best for Microsoft.

 

Why are the other manufacturing giants fallen in line with this?

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June 16, 2012 2:55:00 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Simple:

MS sells the OS and certain keys to allow certain modifications. The OEM's are told "If you go beyond Windows 8 boot only" you lose the "MS Certified stcker"

Consumers are marketed the "Microsoft Certified" sticker: "Our laptop/desktop is MS Certified but company X's isn't."

What do most consumers know? They just want a warranty/guarantee for something they don't understand. Most use email, Google, word processing, simple presentations, facebook. You think they want or need Linux. They probably think it's a "Peanuts" character.

The sticker is more of a totem than anything else... to ward off evil vampire viruses.

 

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June 17, 2012 12:33:24 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I am not worried,

It took years for mainstream users to switch from XP to Win7.... there is absolutely no way they will be interested in Win8.

I also see most of my comrades from MS .net development jumping ship to do cross platform development.

MS also made a major error in thinking they can defeat Apple's inertia in the table market.

This is what I am seeing in my circles

-Business professionals who need desktop software -> Already have windows 7 now (They are not even considering Windows 8 for any other reason that Win7 does what they need. Most skipped Vista and went from 2000/xp to Win7 and will remain there for at least 4 years)

-Media consumers -> Already have an iPad (most) / Android (less) and have no need for, or interest in a Win8 Tablet.

-Freelance developers (like me) are switching to cross platform toolkits, because they can't make money on anything but iOS / Android (this demographic is growing rapidly as more corporations toss their dedicated developers into the streets)

-Techophiles: Of the people who really don't have a reason to get upgrades other then they like being cutting edge... I think it is about a 10 to 1 ratio of hatred / like for Windows 8 from what I am seeing.

I've been pointing these people to PC BSD and they are all distracted by it, probably enough that they won't put up with all the bullcrap built into Windows 8.

It's kind of sad really, because I was really looking forward to the MS store, but I confess I loathe windows 8, and am classifying it in the same category as Millennium... basically it's a hairbrained attempt at a "do everything" OS that is going to ruin MS.

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June 21, 2012 6:14:19 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Good lord people!

THIS WAS NOT DESIGNED BY MICROSOFT.  They are using an EXISTING security chain in UEFI to do this.  They are not blocking out Linux by making their OS more secure.  You should be able to disable UEFI Secure Boot on any machine (depending on the OEM) to install Linux.

Making MS out to be the bad guy because they're using something already available to computers is retarded.

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June 21, 2012 6:51:57 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Not talking about installing Linux, talking about having XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 on the same PC, which they are saying cannot happen.

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June 21, 2012 6:57:51 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting LightStar,
... I just think that forcing a user to use an OS based on hardware (even if it can be disabled) is the most disgusting thing I ever heard of...

 

Not an Apple fan either then I take it 

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June 21, 2012 7:00:46 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Savyg,
You should be able to disable UEFI Secure Boot on any machine (depending on the OEM) to install Linux.

Making MS out to be the bad guy because they're using something already available to computers is retarded.

Savyg, the "MS Certified" sticker was designed by MS. It is used by the OEM's as a marketing badge.

It is an exercise in cynicism on the part of MS and the OEM's. The OEM's will never allow that dual boot since they don't want to lose the "MS Certified" sticker... if they do, it will be exploited by the other OEM's marketing/PR people. The gullible public couldn't care less... they only seek security.

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June 21, 2012 7:03:07 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting LightStar,
Not talking about installing Linux, talking about having XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 on the same PC, which they are saying cannot happen.

It certainly can, Tom. The "Transformer AiO" will boot to W8 and with the click of a button switch to Linux.

As for the other MS OS's? Don't know.

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June 21, 2012 7:32:48 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Rhadagast,

Quoting LightStar, reply 6... I just think that forcing a user to use an OS based on hardware (even if it can be disabled) is the most disgusting thing I ever heard of...

 

Not an Apple fan either then I take it 

 

I wouldn't buy an Apple product if my life depended on it.

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June 21, 2012 7:33:59 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,

Quoting LightStar, reply 10Not talking about installing Linux, talking about having XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 on the same PC, which they are saying cannot happen.

It certainly can, Tom. The "Transformer AiO" will boot to W8 and with the click of a button switch to Linux.

As for the other MS OS's? Don't know.

 

I know Doc, I was just trying to say I would never have any reason to install Linux, and if they block other MS OS's from being installed, then that's just another reason for me to never buy Windows 8.

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June 21, 2012 11:51:32 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting LightStar,
I wouldn't buy an Apple product if my life depended on it.

The good thing is....it won't....

 

All I have from Apple is a 2C that I paid $5 for....and that was too much.....

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June 22, 2012 12:29:36 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Hmmm, the sad thing about all this, well for me anyway, is that I was watching a tech show on TV where they were saying that Win 8 provides much better multi-core support to AMD processors in the new 'Bulldozer' range... being that I can pick up the top of the range FX1850 x8 @3.6 for just $184.00AUD.

There are other good things about Win 8, like native ISO support and native 3D support, which I'd love, but for me the Metro interface is the killer with regard to my purchasing Win 8 for the desktop. 

I don't care that Aero has been ditched - I redecorate with WB, IP and Winstep Xtreme etc, anyhow - and I don't care about dual booting as I have 2 spare PC's on which I could install XP and vista, but I do care about Metro being the default UI at startup and it cannot be disabled.  I don't want to have to deal with that mess... period.  I want an OS with a start button and menu that I can get straight into from the get go without having to jump through Metro hoops to get there... and being that some of those hoops are hidden/not clearly identified is patently stupid.

For me to purchase Win 8, MS would have to make Metro optional for desktop PC's... so I can make it go away.  Alternatively, MS could do me a really great deal [pay me to take it] and a 3rd party dev creates a 'get the f**k off my desktop' tool instead.  Other than that... I'm sticking with Win 7.

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June 22, 2012 12:37:53 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Can't Windows 8 be installed on a secondary partition, so that way you can dual-boot between Windows 7 & 8 using 7's bootloader (on a non-UEFI machine)?  And if that's not possible, just run VirtualBox in Win7 with a Windows 8 installation if you want to try out Win8 so bad.  That way you'd get the best of both worlds.  At this point, I really don't think many people would want Win8 to be their primary (or only) OS installed on their machine. 

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June 22, 2012 10:30:20 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting VistArtXPosed,
Can't Windows 8 be installed on a secondary partition, so that way you can dual-boot between Windows 7 & 8 using 7's bootloader (on a non-UEFI machine)?  And if that's not possible, just run VirtualBox in Win7 with a Windows 8 installation if you want to try out Win8 so bad.  That way you'd get the best of both worlds.  At this point, I really don't think many people would want Win8 to be their primary (or only) OS installed on their machine. 

 

What the OP article is saying that some new hardware in PC's developed for Windows 8 will not allow dual boot to older Microsoft OS's if I read it right.  I just find it hard to accept that anyone should be allowed to do that.

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June 22, 2012 1:39:45 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums


If Win8 won't allow multiboot with winXP, I won't be getting Win8. Wow....that was surprisingly simple.

 

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June 22, 2012 8:09:42 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting LightStar,
What the OP article is saying that some new hardware in PC's developed for Windows 8 will not allow dual boot to older Microsoft OS's if I read it right. I just find it hard to accept that anyone should be allowed to do that.

Trouble is, when a company has become as big as Microsoft has, it almost becomes a law unto itself... and I think the reason MS has included its own, older OSes in that 'no dual boot' list is to prevent accusations and/or charges of stifling the competition, eg, Linux.

On a more positive note, or should I say a more hopeful one, given the adverse reaction to Metro for desktop PC's, I'm sure there are 3rd party developers who will come up with disabling software to make Win 8 more like Win 7 [without Aero]. When that happens I would consider purchasing it because there will be contingencies for the various items MS has stripped out of Win 8.  In some cases that won't even matter to me because some of the stripped items I would never have used anyway.

Oh well, we'll see!  In any event, Metro HAS to be able to be disabled, if not gone entirely... as in an option not to install it at setup.... not that I'll hold my breath on that one.

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June 22, 2012 8:57:46 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

About the only way I'd consider Windows 8 in the future is if someone like say, Stardock , created a program that made Metro disappear.

 

I'm concerned that this might be such a disaster that the PC gaming market gets split as folks go to Macs or a new OS.  What would Stardock do in such a situation, given their past history?

 

 

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June 22, 2012 10:22:33 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Alstein,
I'm concerned that this might be such a disaster that the PC gaming market gets split as folks go to Macs or a new OS. What would Stardock do in such a situation, given their past history?

Oh I don't think Stardock will have too much to worry about, nor the gaming/skinning communities, for that matter.  Hardcore, skinners and customisers will always hang on to their earlier copies of Windows to participate in their fave pastimes... I know I will.

As for a software to disable Metro, well there's obviously a market for it, so somebody is bound to jump on the development of one.  Hehe, knowing Stardock, they're probably already working on such a thing... or so one would hope.

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June 22, 2012 11:16:20 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting VistArtXPosed,
using 7's bootloader (on a non-UEFI machine)

Win7 runs just fine on UEFI boards.

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June 23, 2012 1:40:52 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Quoting starkers,

Quoting Alstein, reply 22I'm concerned that this might be such a disaster that the PC gaming market gets split as folks go to Macs or a new OS. What would Stardock do in such a situation, given their past history?

Oh I don't think Stardock will have too much to worry about, nor the gaming/skinning communities, for that matter.  Hardcore, skinners and customisers will always hang on to their earlier copies of Windows to participate in their fave pastimes... I know I will.

As for a software to disable Metro, well there's obviously a market for it, so somebody is bound to jump on the development of one.  Hehe, knowing Stardock, they're probably already working on such a thing... or so one would hope.

 

I'm worried MSFT will try to brick Windows 7 to force upgrades.  Dumbest thing they could do, but I've learned to never underestimate corporate stupidity.

 

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