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By on June 1, 2012 7:36:13 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Picoz

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The aero option is still available in this just-released build. But the 'intel' is it won't be in any further beta (if there is one) and not in the

RTM and retail versions. That means, as far as I'm concerned, WinBlinds is back in the loop (I lived without it on WN7.) I like aero - turn it

off and you'll see what I mean. Bland. There will be many, especially those using Metro on phones and pads, who won't want it.  I can see

the reason for that. A flat look on those devices could be preferable. But a little eye candy on a PC and notebook is pleasant. So I'm all

for a new Win 8 version of WindowBlinds (the current/latest version is 'not compatible'. I know, I tried it.)

Stardock, I hope you're on the ball..

 

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June 1, 2012 7:44:54 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Windowblinds for any MS OS has always been developed (<- RTM'd) after the RTM version of the OS was made available. It's done that way simply because no one knows what the finalized features of that OS will be until they're.... final. 

Don't worry, though... Neil isn't a slacker. 

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June 1, 2012 7:45:06 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

As we get closer to the Windows 8 release you can assume we will be looking at updating the applications with Windows 8 support where possible.

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June 1, 2012 4:03:51 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Stardock, I hope you're on the ball.

Literally, in some cases.  We have a couple people with those ball chair things.  Quite comfortable.

In all seriousness, though, we are not sitting idly by, and are watching Win 8 developments very closely.

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June 3, 2012 7:54:48 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Sure, it definitely make sense to wait until after the RTM is released.

As you say, no-one knows what the finalized features are (and the tweaks between beta '1' and '2' are certainly there.)

Actually, I didn't really think you wouldn't be on the ball..

 

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June 3, 2012 9:44:43 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

    I am "on the fence" about W8... I REALLY miss all the functionality and eye-candy that Stardock/Wincustomize provide... my W7 desktop is rocking and it will be a close call as to whether or not W8 provides enough incentive to switch! That's a first for me...from the original W2.0 to W3.1 and on and on...the update was reason enough to change up... but now, with W7 being so solid the choice will be a tough one. If our wonderful tech staff can overcome the problems that M$ have dealt them, then in all likelihood I will raise the white W7 flag and replace it with the W8 standard... time will tell!

 

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June 3, 2012 9:54:14 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Is it the point of an OS to present problems which have to be overcome, or to be the answer to more efficient and esthetic computing?

I feel it's the latter.

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June 4, 2012 8:13:40 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Picoz
on the ball

Keymac
on the fence

Did we start playing "The Floor is Lava" and no one told me?

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June 4, 2012 8:14:36 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Is it the point of an OS to present problems which have to be overcome, or to be the answer to more efficient and esthetic computing?

The point of an OS is so that you don't have to interact with hardware directly.  It provides a layer between you and the hardware to make using that hardware more useful.  The "problems which have to be overcome" that inevitably present themselves seem to be (mostly) in one of two categories: limitations or unintended consequences.

Limitations could be hardware based, as in technology isn't advanced enough at the time of release, or software based, as in having to support legacy APIs, etc.

Unintended consequences are the trickier ones.  Looking at the reasoning behind removing the start menu, Microsoft stated that its usage had dropped by 11% between Vista and 7.  This was attributed to things like the being able to pin to the taskbar, which is fine, but the usage didn't drop to zero.

The biggest thing they didn't think about was what it was still used for.  My theory is that it's now used more often when someone doesn't know where something is, so that's where they START (get it?) to look when they try to find it.  Without that single point of connection to their computer, what they're faced with is a mish-mash of different places where only some things are, and that's where a big portion of the userbase is going to be alienated.  They've taken out a release valve for confusion.

Microsoft looked at the frequency of usage, but not the importance of usage.

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June 4, 2012 8:15:12 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Rosco_P,
Did we start playing "The Floor is Lava" and no one told me?

Yes and no?

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June 7, 2012 12:08:15 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Hello:

        Yes in windows 8 doesn`t works. We must wait. Keep pasinece

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June 7, 2012 12:37:31 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Rosco_P,

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 7Is it the point of an OS to present problems which have to be overcome, or to be the answer to more efficient and esthetic computing?

The point of an OS is so that you don't have to interact with hardware directly.  It provides a layer between you and the hardware to make using that hardware more useful.  The "problems which have to be overcome" that inevitably present themselves seem to be (mostly) in one of two categories: limitations or unintended consequences.

Limitations could be hardware based, as in technology isn't advanced enough at the time of release, or software based, as in having to support legacy APIs, etc.

Unintended consequences are the trickier ones.  Looking at the reasoning behind removing the start menu, Microsoft stated that its usage had dropped by 11% between Vista and 7.  This was attributed to things like the being able to pin to the taskbar, which is fine, but the usage didn't drop to zero.

The biggest thing they didn't think about was what it was still used for.  My theory is that it's now used more often when someone doesn't know where something is, so that's where they START (get it?) to look when they try to find it.  Without that single point of connection to their computer, what they're faced with is a mish-mash of different places where only some things are, and that's where a big portion of the userbase is going to be alienated.  They've taken out a release valve for confusion.

Microsoft looked at the frequency of usage, but not the importance of usage.

Correct. And equally disappointing. 

Leap Motion is probably the advance in hardware/OS handling of the decade (imo). Can't wait for it to hit the market.

Quoting DrJBHL,
My theory is that it's now used more often when someone doesn't know where something is, so that's where they START (get it?) to look when they try to find it.

Ploddingly, but yes.

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June 7, 2012 1:33:08 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,


Leap Motion is probably the advance in hardware/OS handling of the decade (imo). Can't wait for it to hit the market.


 

Since i preordered one because of you i hold you fully responsible 

It better be good.

 

However the chances that i install W8 in my lifetime as a daily OS are zero. It's an awful cobbled up mess that can't ever be massaged to work well as an UI. Will see what W9 looks like.

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July 12, 2012 12:09:49 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

My only question has to do with statements Microsoft has made around Metro and the UI in general.  They now say the UI is simply an application now.  Is that true?  If so, does that mean we might see some cooler desktop options from SD that could involve UI apps?  Just curious as it seems like it could really open up the door to some creative, and actual usable, options.

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July 12, 2012 10:01:38 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Bring back aero, and make metro start screen skinning a reality. PLEASE. That is all

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July 13, 2012 5:50:44 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting gmcpherson,
My only question has to do with statements Microsoft has made around Metro and the UI in general.  They now say the UI is simply an application now.  Is that true?  If so, does that mean we might see some cooler desktop options from SD that could involve UI apps?  Just curious as it seems like it could really open up the door to some creative, and actual usable, options.

You shouldn't believe everything Microsoft say about Windows 8.

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July 13, 2012 9:36:58 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting Neil Banfield,
Quoting gmcpherson, reply 14My only question has to do with statements Microsoft has made around Metro and the UI in general.  They now say the UI is simply an application now.  Is that true?  If so, does that mean we might see some cooler desktop options from SD that could involve UI apps?  Just curious as it seems like it could really open up the door to some creative, and actual usable, options.

You shouldn't believe everything Microsoft say about Windows 8.

Trust me, I don't.  That is why I'm asking the question here.  It seems unlikely as that would mean the interface was a "snap on module", like the old Win16 subsystem.  However, if it were that simple, I would think we'd already see articles about folks coding shell replacements, and see more open source betas in the wild.  In any case, given Stardock's extensive experience coding to the Windows UI environment, I am interested to hear what their take is on this.  Or if anyone on the forums has had similar exposure, I'm curious as to how this compares to say, Windows 7 UI.

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July 27, 2012 10:53:05 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

The biggest problem with Win 8 is there is an inherent assumption that everyone is using a touchscreen. It is specifically designed for touchscreens and is horrible for us keyboard and mouse users. We will need a new front-end so we can actually use the system. If the previews are anything like the final product then it is not good for PC users.

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July 27, 2012 2:37:15 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting TomKo44,
The biggest problem with Win 8 is there is an inherent assumption that everyone is using a touchscreen. It is specifically designed for touchscreens and is horrible for us keyboard and mouse users. We will need a new front-end so we can actually use the system. If the previews are anything like the final product then it is not good for PC users.

I don't think they're assuming you are going to use a touchscreen right away, but they're betting on touch being the way the industry is heading.  It's risky, because even though they might be right, they're sacrificing the short term (desktop users) for a potential new paradigm in the long term.  If they lose too many before touch becomes pervasive, they might not be able to capitalize when it does.

The sad part is, with a small number of adjustments to a few key areas, they could have mitigated that short term hit (though not entirely, to be sure), while leaving them in a good position for the long term.

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July 27, 2012 3:00:31 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Rosco_P,
My theory is that it's now used more often when someone doesn't know where something is, so that's where they START (get it?) to look when they try to find it.

I agree entirely!!

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August 1, 2012 9:28:00 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Neil Banfield,
You shouldn't believe everything Microsoft say about Windows 8.

 

Or in everything Microsoft DO about Windows 8 either

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August 7, 2012 7:39:28 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I had a run with this whole "new paradigm" stuff. I have to say I think it's more than just trying to anticipate the next input trend. In my opinion it looks to me as an attempt to push things very hard in a direction that favor's touch non-desktop type machines. I think Microsoft wants it's own platform that locks a user into their software, etc. Take a look at what's involved in writting software for an ARM based device running win8. According to MSDN the only way to get software onto one of those things is via Microsoft's web site. So I have to conclude it's a customer lockin tactic.

I guess desktop users Are a bit problematic. The gaming industry seems to think so, or at least some gaming companies. We install what we want, pretty much when we want. We have alternatives, however sometimes unattractive, and often end up doing all sorts of unexpected things. Where as I suppose the non-technical/non-articist type user is content to get onto the web and stick with in a limited set offerings and so on.

 

At least that's my feeling about it right now. I'd love to find I'm wrong and in fact out in outer space, ya know?

 

I haven't tried out an of the beta builds of server 8 as yet. Maye the expectation is that desktop users will be better served with a server OS, whether actually using it for that or not. I know there are some dev type folks that prefer to use server and so on. But I haven't seen anything thus far that would indicate that is the thinking in any of the Microsoft noise thus far.

I'm so way hoping windows blinds/Desktop X offer an alternative. Windows 8 does have some really cool aspects to it, under the hood. Not all of which I'd expect to be back ported to win 7.

I guess it's a matter of waiting to see what stardock windows Blinds/DesktopX will emerge post public release of win8. Sigh...

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August 8, 2012 8:05:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I'm in the beta test for a expansion of a MMO game. I told them that I'd toss a copy on Win 8 to see how it works. Since my other copy was sometime last year I downloaded a new one. I was happy to find out it had changed a bunch. No, darn welcome page is still there, and they have something related to Mickey to replace the Start Menu BUT I could at least go more than five minutes without swearing.

To the game. No, darn thing hangs during install so I cheat and copy it from my everyday computer. It seems to last a while that way. With the distraction of Olympics and such, I went back to getting lost in a new game using my regular laptop.

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August 22, 2012 5:35:26 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Personally I'd love it if Stardock started supporting the ClassicShell start menu replacement in Windowblinds for Windows 8 users. I don't hate Metro at all but I just don't find it useful or flexible enough on the desktop and my PC use I'm 99% of the time on my desktop. (Yes I know there's Start8 that's a good alternative too but Classic Shell is much closer to the Windows 7 Start Menus)

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August 22, 2012 5:38:59 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I am looking to forward to windowsblinds 8.

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