My How Things Have Changed

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By on September 14, 2011 8:58:44 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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My three boys graduated HS between 2000-04. Really not that long ago.  

We didn't have internet access until the youngest was like a junior/senior so we're talking maybe 2003. I was told that my kids would be behind.  They would be computer illiterates.  Today they've not only caught up but I would venture a guess they know more than most.  In fact my youngest son is a computer genius in my eyes for all that he knows and does.  He gets paid pretty big bucks today for what he does and it's all computer oriented.  He's in marketing, sets up websites, helps businesses do better business etc, all with computer software programs that he's designing. Recently, to his own amazement, he had two corporations fighting over him with what started out to be just a job offer from a competing company familiar with his work.  In the end he wound up making 20K more a year because one outbid the other for his employment.  

 At the time they were in HS I was leery about the whole kids on the net stuff so we opted not to bring the internet into the house.  We had heard lots of rumors about the fact that being on the net was kin to dropping your kids off in the middle of NY City and letting them go with no supervision.  

At the time it was just beginning to be a tool for research in the school systems.  They had computer access in school if they needed to do any research but it had not been a real problem up until then. It was more of an optional thing for the most part.   Today it would be impossible, it seems, just in these few short years to NOT be on the net.   In fact I read recently some school systems, in an effort to save money, are requiring students to take at least one online HS class before they graduate.  I have a feeling that's where we're going.  If that's the case, what will we do with all these huge school buildings that were built in the last so many years?  

Our kids didn't do FB or My Space.   They didn't have any online friends. Neither did I.  Their friends were tangible. They could see the expressions on their faces as they talked with them and they could hear the tone of their voices as they spoke with them over the phone.    How in the world did we survive with no internet?  Hard to imagine now isn't it?  Does anyone talk on the phone anymore?  I mean really talk?  Seems like it's more about texting or emailing or face booking these days.  

Makes me wonder what else is coming in the near future for our grandchildren?  

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September 14, 2011 9:14:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Does anyone talk on the phone anymore?  I mean really talk?  Seems like it's more about texting or emailing or face booking these days.  

Makes me wonder what else is coming in the near future for our grandchildren?  

Sure. But there is a logarithmic decrease in face to face human interaction. Do people eat together anymore? Do families interact? Do they tell stories? How is our culture being passed on? In X-Boxes or Playstations?  Is human history to be relegated to online 'clouds'? Do your children read actual books... do they know an old book's smell, or paper's differing textures?

What happens when the electricity goes off? Will our culture disappear along with the real books? Will anyone know how to mesmerize children with a well told story like The Ilead or The Odyssey?

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September 14, 2011 9:18:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Do people eat together anymore? Do families interact? Do they tell stories?

Do androids dream of electric sheep?

 

 

 

 

So many questions.......

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September 14, 2011 9:34:56 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Jafo, I need a new monitor now, thanks...

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September 15, 2011 7:54:43 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Do your children read actual books...?

Mine do, we go to our local library twice a week so they can check out books...My kids love to read!

They don't spend  a lot of time on a computer, a few games here and there or to do some research but that is about it.

They are only limited to an hour a day to play the xbox or wii and spend most of their time reading or drawing or playing outside...

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September 15, 2011 8:25:24 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Do people talk on the phone anymore?  Is that a REAL question?  haha

Considering the fact I don't think we've ever had a telephone conversation shorter than two hours!

We'll find good use for the schools...maybe downsize them and have the kids meet a few times a week for social, gym, wood working, home ec, etc.  I actually wouldn't mind my kids taking on-line classes...that way I could be right there supplementing as they're learning, instead of trying to squeeze it all in at the end of the day.

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September 15, 2011 8:32:02 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Makes me wonder what else is coming in the near future for our grandchildren?

Asimov's Solaria....but probably more crowded.

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September 15, 2011 11:59:03 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

How come I can't quote anyone anymore?  

@T..when was the last time you and I had a phone conversation?  Now..compare that to email, FB and JU.  Which do we spend more time on?  

So maybe on-line will be sort of like homeschool again?  Back to how it all started in the first place?  At home with the parents?  

 

 

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September 15, 2011 12:02:57 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

@Heigar..that's sort of how it was at our house.  I was pushing the books and limiting, basically for us,  what would have been TV time since we really didn't do anything via computers in those days.

 In HS it got harder with the books tho because even tho we didn't have computer access they were all busy with their sports, which is still better than sitting home in front of some screen be it computer or TV.  

 

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September 15, 2011 12:03:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

My How Things Have Changed

I think the real bottom line is that things haven't changed, it's the people that have changed.

The casual observation would be able to see that the change that has occured is not good, not good at all. 

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September 15, 2011 2:57:18 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting KFC Kickin For Christ,
How come I can't quote anyone anymore?
 

Hover the cursor over the white 'line' between each post.

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September 15, 2011 3:31:00 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

[quote
Hover the cursor over the white 'line' between each post.[/quote]

 

Thanks Snowman..I guess more has changed than I realized.  Whatever happened to highlighting and then hitting the quote button?  

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September 15, 2011 3:32:04 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Snowman,
Hover the cursor over the white 'line' between each post.

woops..this has to be better.

 

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September 15, 2011 4:35:37 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Just clicking the quote button alone quotes the whole post.
You can still highlight and quote parts of a post the normal way.

 

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September 15, 2011 7:07:43 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

ahh things change.  people's habits change.  somehow people have survived wow go figure. such deep dodo to ponder and all.

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September 16, 2011 2:48:25 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Hell, my 4 year old niece knows how to use the laptop and navigate the net to find her Disney and Nick games online. It's really astonishing. And to think I didn't get my own computer until I was almost 16. Then I spent that entire summer (5pm-5am, I really was a vampire night owl) in chat rooms. Now I absolutely refuse to have anything to do with social networking sites (the closest I have is Twitter).

It really makes me sad though that people think interacting only online makes them have a ton of "friends." How are they friends if you never actually socialize with them in the real world? Like that stupid Toyota Venza commercial about the girl forcing her parents onto Facebook because they have no friends....in reality that makes them more anti-social since they'd be at the computer all day instead of actually OUT with REAL people.

As for talking on the phone...being a geek it was never really my thing. The only way I actually communicate with my bf (aside from in-person, yes FB drones there is such a thing) is through texts (he's an IT geek too so it works out).

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September 16, 2011 6:24:23 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

think it might have something to do with "keeping up with the Jones's" or some other silly marketing concept???

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September 16, 2011 1:42:15 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting DrJBHL,
Does anyone talk on the phone anymore? I mean really talk? Seems like it's more about texting or emailing or face booking these days.

I do with my mother and one sister!  Both have internet, but never use it.

Quoting Lantec,
Asimov's Solaria....but probably more crowded.

That is scary!  But remember Daneel's successor came from Solaria.

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As for how things change, I remember when your sons graduated from College.  I do not think you joined JU before they were all out of HS (HC brought you here, right?).  I rarely speak to my kids - it is call internet.

But one thing to remember.  The people who built the computers, programs and the internet for the most part did not grow up with it (and no, not even Algore grew up with his creation).  So I do not think your sons were hampered.  Probably, they had the best of all worlds.

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September 16, 2011 4:58:26 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

David was a sophomore in college when I joined JU.  He's the one who got me started by making me have this blog.  He did all the signing me up including coming up with my name.   Do you remember you were friendly with him first?  Then he kind of dropped off.  Last I knew his blog was still up.  He graduated HS in 04 and college in 08.  

Time flies.  That's for sure.  

I speak to my kids 50/50 on the phone and internet.  David is almost all phone tho.  He called today.  

I remember the comments about how they wouldn't be up to snuff when we didn't run right out and get a computer.  But I was told that was the case when I didn't put them in physical activities when they were like 4-5 as well.   In HS not only did they excell in their sports but they were named Captains in their perspective sports and at least one of them was named most athletic at graduation.  So we need not give in to peer pressure but do what's right for ourselves and our families first and foremost even if it means not going along with the flow.    

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December 3, 2011 2:44:48 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Kicken For Christ, I think you must be an awesome father to those kids   God Bless ya !!!    

 

hugs and have a wonderful ChristX

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December 7, 2011 2:17:23 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Thanks boldyloxx.. but make that mom! 

 

May you also have a very blessed Christmas!   

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December 7, 2011 3:19:23 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Jafo,



Quoting DrJBHL,
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Do people eat together anymore? Do families interact? Do they tell stories?


Do androids dream of electric sheep?

 

 

 

 

So many questions.......
Bladerunner.......HSTL

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December 14, 2011 7:54:26 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I am fortunate to follow Stardock since the end of the 90s. It's amazing that this company changed a lot and gets so little credit for what they have achieved on the net.

 

I consider Brad Wardell to be the pioneer of what we call today "community building". As far as I can see he was doing that since the mid 90s using Usenet and later with forums and IRC. Brad didn't invent blogs, but he sure was blogging in the days of Usenet about development, politics, his products or whatever topic he was interested in. He had a simple variation of what later would be Impulse. In the early versions there was even a facility to chat online with other users, the devs and the support people. He also connected the various forums and made simple forums into tools that allowed easy access to their content. The difference between blogs and forums disappeared, while at the same time adding more functionality to those blogs. It's hard to find any better blogging sites than Joe User. And that all has to do with the fact that Brad loves to discuss and has little time, so easy access served him well too. Another reason is that Stardock believes that devs should be in touch with their customers. I don't think he requires that devs have a look on the forums, but I am sure that everyone at Stardock knows that it is implied. Stardock also has a fairly open policy. If there are new ideas they will be discussed in public in no time. So having a good tool for that is important as well.

 

I am not sure whether Stardock was the first with that approach, but I can't remember other companies doing the same at the time.

 

Of course there were some bumps on the road, but I am glad I was part of it.

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December 14, 2011 8:31:16 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting MadIce,
In the early versions there was even a facility to chat online with other users, the devs and the support people.

I'm still using SDC, Matthijs...

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