Windows 7 - When!

I want it now.

By on January 10, 2009 4:07:48 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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So, after being rather 'lax' when it comes to "closely" following Microsoft betas for the past few years... (ever since I started working with their software as a fulltime job really...) I decided it was time to get up to speed with the recent Windows 7.

And lo and behold, I discover that January 9th was the day that build 7000 (beta 1) would be made available for Joe Public (or user in this case).

I happily click the most prominent link I could find, only to discover that I was too late, and the site had crashed already.

Now I am stuck with a RSS updater trying to get a 'thunderbirds are go!' message from The Windows Blog as well as checking the TechNet site, where the download link was previously posted.

Luckily with some GoogleFu I was able to find a download link through HardOCP

But as it turns out, the 32-bit version from Microsoft must be heavily used, as the download gets interrupted repeatedly. Luckily thanks to Opera (The #1 Browser.. if only it was as stable as Google Chrome) I am at least able to resume it.  Funny thing is the x64 version downloaded without any hick-ups. Is that a sign that tells me that people are STILL using 32-bit operating systems?  I would have assumed that the 'enthusiasts' who would/should be the ones throwing themselves at this beta were using a 64 bit capable CPU and would like to 'benefit' from that.

So now I just have to find some spare time to install it, and possibly trash my 3 other OS installations (Vista32,64 and XP64).

Funny side note #1 is that the 7000 build was available on torrent sites for a long time, as well as a activation crack.
Funny side note #2 is that the torrent download was faster than Microsofts Akamai download.. 
Pondering Side note #1 is that, why did not MS use torrent technology to distribute it? If it works for Blizzard with 19.000.000.000 WoW clients, it should work for Micro$oft?

 

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January 10, 2009 4:14:22 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting ,

Funny side note #1 is that the 7000 build was available on torrent sites for a long time, as well as a activation crack. 

Doesn't surprise me..

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January 10, 2009 4:14:47 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Well, MS is only downloading 2.5 million copies of this beta.

And 7000 is not the version that MS is using for this public beta.

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January 10, 2009 4:19:17 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting Moosetek13,
Well, MS is only downloading 2.5 million copies of this beta.And 7000 is not the version that MS is using for this public beta.

Apparently the site crashed before 2.5 was hit. At least thats the indication I get from the Windows Blog + Technet site.

But you can still download it, just need to visit that site to get the activation code (when it works) to make it last until Aug 09 (or thereabouts).

 

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January 10, 2009 4:20:25 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/ -> 7000.0.081212-1400 <-

Says 7000 there at least.

Edit: Of course, it could be the wrong link. Luckily this connection is so fast download an updated version should pose no problem (As long as it stays up)

 

 

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January 10, 2009 4:32:25 AM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

When the sky falls down.

LET THE RAIN CLOUDS COME!

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January 10, 2009 7:19:38 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Apparently the site crashed before 2.5 was hit.

Long, long before... the link was active only for about 20 minutes or so before the severs went under, so there should still be a majority of the 2 1/2 mill left.

Oh, and the torrent with the crack... MS was made aware of it by someone at the blog site, so it probably is no more by now... and a good thing too.  Anyone who gets cracked software is cracked in the head.

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January 10, 2009 8:11:30 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting starkers,
Apparently the site crashed before 2.5 was hit.Long, long before... the link was active only for about 20 minutes or so before the severs went under, so there should still be a majority of the 2 1/2 mill left.Oh, and the torrent with the crack... MS was made aware of it by someone at the blog site, so it probably is no more by now... and a good thing too.  Anyone who gets cracked software is cracked in the head.

Well, that means that unless you're lucky enough to be one of the 2.1mill who managed to download and get a valid license key.. e.g. luck, "you" are cracked in your head if you get it working through other means (it will still time out Aug09)

I'd rather see them open up the CPP for everyone (no limitation) and accept all the feedback submitted through the nice little feedback buttons than just the first 2.5. Still their decision and we'll see how it works out in the end.

Regarding 'crack'. I misspoke and meant "patch". Crack has such negative connentations, and for this issue it really is just a patch to fix an issue that the user might dislike. Just as you have cdpatches to avoid using dongles etc. when you want to play a game.

 

* still refreshing Windowsbeta waiting for a key *

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January 10, 2009 9:35:36 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Personally, I think the whole thing is just one big publicity stunt to make W7 look even more inviting... I can see it in the papers tomorrow: "Microsoft Severs Crash Under Consumers Demand For Its Newest OS"

What else could they expect... advertising 2.5 million beta licenses, knowing 40 mill would be clamoring to get this 'endangered species' before it is gone forever.

The ISO download links are still active yet they do not appear on the W7 page... and the license key page is also active, despite it being frequently busy and often displaying an error page, there are quite a few people who report getting through after a few refreshes and sailing through the key registration process without a hiccup. Thus it would seem, if the 2 major components are working, the taking down of the links from the W7 page is not what Microsoft is saying it is.

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that MS will adhere to the 2.5 million beta licenses Worldwide.  That's less than .05% of the population and thus would severely limit its veiwability and word of mouth advertising from beta testers.  Nope, I can't see Microsoft making it a virtual cellar dweller when it can really show it off to the World by puttings it on tens of millions of PC's... a showcase in situ, so to speak.

Besides, the same or similar thing was said regardingt the Vista public beta, and going by the announced cutoff, I and hundreds of people I know should have missed out... but we didn't.... even several days later and before the MS announcement to extend the Vista beta.

To be blunt, the entire thing was handled very shoddily, at best.  Even IF the server crash were true, Microsoft had enough time and expertise to have implement measure to have prevented it.  Worse still, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people waiting it out on the W7 page and blog site, yet Microsoft is playing its cards very close to its chest and is not giving out any indication when activity may resume... not even a ball park estimate, which isn't pleasing the many who have been trying to download the beta since 12 noon US Pacific Time yesterday.

It's said that any publicity is good publicity, but I can see Steve Jobs rubbing his hands all the way to the bank on this one.  MS detractors and Gates haters are more likely now to go with OS-X after this fiasco.  It was handle poorly and MS seems to care little for those who have waited almost 24 hours now... and still nothing on the W7 page to give them even the slightest encouragemment.  Yup, MS will lose past AND undecided customers over this um... creating an artificial bottleneck to give the false impression a larger majority wants W7 than actually does.

Sure I want Windows 7 to evaluate prior to purchase if I like it, but if MS are still stuffing people around when I next try to obtain a lisence key, I simply won't bother at all.

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January 10, 2009 9:59:57 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

I've skipped Vista and have every intention of skipping whatever Windows 7 is. I suppose that by the time Windows 8 rolls around then it probably will be time for a change but until then I really don't care to thrash around and make a change every time M$ decides it needs the revenue from a new OS rollout. Every 3rd OS has been my metric for the last 20 years or so, I see no point in suddenly changing my MO.

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January 10, 2009 10:02:55 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

It's said that any publicity is good publicity, but I can see Steve Jobs rubbing his hands all the way to the bank on this one. MS detractors and Gates haters are more likely now to go with OS-X after this fiasco. It was handle poorly and MS seems to care little for those who have waited almost 24 hours now... and still nothing on the W7 page to give them even the slightest encouragemment. Yup, MS will lose past AND undecided customers over this um... creating an artificial bottleneck to give the false impression a larger majority wants W7 than actually does.

 

I think that's some grandios posturing on your part Stark.  I don't think MS is really going to lose customers over this.

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January 10, 2009 10:35:31 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I think that's some grandios posturing on your part Stark. I don't think MS is really going to lose customers over this.

Yeah, probably.... I was frustrated and mightily pissed off that it had been 22 hours since I first tried to download and obtain the license key, so I sprouted off to make myself feel a little better.

Besides, you oughta know me by now... if there isn't a conspiracy happening, I'll create one.

Anyhow, stripe me roan, tickle me pink with a dodo feather and call me grandpa... anything so long as it ain't late for breakfast, I GOT IT, my d/l of W7 x64 and the license key. YIPPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

I thought that I'd give it one more go before turning in, so refreshed the page half a dozen times and voila... the license key page appeared before me, almost like Angelina Jolie in a skimpy negligee (orright, so I'm tired), it was that beautiful to behold.  Nah, but it sure gave me a sense of satisfaction after trying for so long.

Yeah, so there I was jumping aroung with glee in my puter chair,  and it dawned on me... I don't got any blank DVD's to burn it to.  I used the last one on Thursday to put some home movies on.  Never mind, I should be getting to bed anyhow... all that burning and installation stuff can wait 'til morning after I've been dow the street to pick up some DVD's

As for an apology to MS'? Fergit it!  It is, after all, MS' fault that I'm too tired to figure that bit out.  Hehe, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

Oh yeah, good to see ya, M1.

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January 10, 2009 10:38:51 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Ah, thanks for the headsup with the key workaround.
Some more google-fu and now I got the key as well.  Guess its installation time

 

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January 10, 2009 10:44:37 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

@Starkers: Might be possible to just extract the .iso file and install it from a directory. At least thats how I installed Vista x64.

Edit: In the past the installer has copied the files required, then rebooted and run from those, so the CD was not required.

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January 10, 2009 11:06:47 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

@Starkers: Might be possible to just extract the .iso file and install it from a directory. At least thats how I installed Vista x64.

Yeah, thanks for that, instant, I'll keep that in mind for if I don't get up in time and miss the shops.

However, I'd prefer to install from disc... and I'll have to burn the files to disc anyway, so I may as well do it that way... I'll just write a note for my daughter to pick me up some DVD's while she is down the street to get some supplies.

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January 10, 2009 11:08:15 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Starkers, I feel you man, I feel you.  I've been trying to get a key forever.  Butch hooked me up.

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January 10, 2009 12:58:51 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums
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January 10, 2009 1:04:31 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Posting this in IE8 under W7 Build 7000. Installed from hard-drive, just needed to use WinRAR to extract the .iso image downloaded from Microsoft.

So far, was not surprised to find out Creative did not have any sound card drivers available. Nvidia does at least

 

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January 10, 2009 1:45:26 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Seems like I can not edit the comments with IE8 in W7.
Did a folder comparison, Vistax64 - 15GB, W7x64 11GB, nearly 10k less files.

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January 10, 2009 2:16:42 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Having used Win 7 for 3 weeks now as my main setup...I love it.  All the crap that Vista failed at, this one has eliminated.  This one will be a winner, trust me.

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January 10, 2009 2:22:12 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Microsoft has got the download back up again and working. Get it while you can....

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx

 

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January 10, 2009 3:14:34 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Everything is up and working fine now on the Microsoft side. Go to the Windows 7 homepage here http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx and you can get the download and key, no problem. I've been using 7 now for quite a few hours and IE8 and I'm very impressed.........and it's only beta!!! Based on only a few hours use this is what Vista should have been, never was and never could be.............

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January 10, 2009 3:39:14 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Yea. Its not AmigaOS, but at least its a step in a right direction. Still wondering if we'll see a leaner MiniWin kernel, but I guess its too late for Win7.  Maybe NT7.0 will be all done in Assembler and weighting in at 20MiB?

Just tried L4D with the buildt-in drivers, and it worked without problems although it seemed to lagg a bit compared to XP64/Vista64. Had to install my X-Fi drivers in "Vista compatibility mode", but at least they worketh.

Now that all the 'warning messages' have been disabled through the 'Action Center' I can start working.

Now all they need to do is scrap the 32-bit version entirely, and move everyone to 64bit!

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January 10, 2009 3:55:33 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

Forgive my stupid question, but I have a doubt... this beta can be installed only as Vista Update or even on a brand new PC?

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January 10, 2009 4:12:03 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting TucoBenedicto,
Forgive my stupid question, but I have a doubt... this beta can be installed only as Vista Update or even on a brand new PC?

Should work as a clean install. I launched the installer from my Vista installation, but I could select a "Clean" installation (instead of Upgrade).

 

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January 10, 2009 11:02:52 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Forgive my stupid question, but I have a doubt... this beta can be installed only as Vista Update or even on a brand new PC?

You can upgrade your existing Vista OS, but it is advisable to clean install W7 on a separate partition and dual boot... that way, you don't have to roll back if you don't like it/find it is not ready to run some of your important software.

Starkers, I feel you man, I feel you. I've been trying to get a key forever. Butch hooked me up.

Good for you, M1... that'll save you the time of having to wait on MS servers, etc.  Although the W7 page is active again, it still may take a while to enter the download/key access area... going by what some are aying.

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