Being a Conservative on the Liberal Internet

By on October 26, 2008 1:46:07 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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Every day I visit tons of website, forums, and social networks for all types of topics, most of which are technology based in some sort of form.  This election cycle has really brought out the best of the liberal “group think” mentality regarding Obama.  On just about every social network Obama is praised as “the one” and any hint of disagreement with his policies or ideals is immediately responded with accusations of racism, or just plain insults.  Anybody who wants to claim that liberals are tolerant to others, please give me a shout because I can quickly debunk that.  Even here on our network of sites, there have been insults tossed at the slightest hint of either supporting McCain, or being against Obama.  I’m certainly not saying conservatives don’t dish out their fair share, but the mentality of liberals has once again bordered on the insane and hateful.

It’s tough being a proud conservative, as I will say what I think regardless of what the group and mob mentality is.  The real shame is so many people, especially bloggers in the tech area, are afraid to do the same.  I have received so many private notes and comments in support of standing up for conservatism, it’s almost crazy.  The best comparison I can make is how conservative actors in Hollywood are often ridiculed or turned down for roles because of their conservative beliefs, and the same mentality is going on right now in the blogosphere.  Conservative bloggers, some of which can be considered A-list are having to remain silent about their thoughts on Obama and McCain, simply because they are afraid of retribution from their employers or just not being able to pickup work from other sites.  It’s a shame, and it’s more telling about liberals than it is anything.

I am a conservative, I don’t like Obama, and I will never let anyone intimidate me because of that. 

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October 26, 2008 2:09:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I think some of the intolerance comes from having to live for the past eight years under George Bush's policies.  I remember during the last election that liberals were pretty much accused of being (excuse my choice of words here), "pussies."  John Kerry was portrayed as a wimp.  Numerous times I have been told by conservatives that Republicans are the Daddy Party, and Democrats are the Mommy Party, and what with terrorism being as rampant as it is now, we really need the Daddy Party to protect us.  Well, with Obama, the Mommy Party has morphed into the Big Momma Party.  (As a white girl who has a soft spot for bad boys, they've told me many times, "don't mess with the sista's....you will lose.")

 

What you are seeing, my friend, is liberals learning from their mistakes.  For years conservatives have accused liberals of being weak, and for the past eight years it's been drilled into our heads that this is a tough world, with tough times, which is no environment for the weak.  So, liberals are demonstrating that they can be tough, which means being less tolerant.

 

That being said, I would like to point out that I am neither conservative nor liberal...I'm lunatic fringe.  I will admit it....I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.  

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October 26, 2008 2:34:43 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I am a conservative, I don’t like Obama, and I will never let anyone intimidate me because of that.

Odd. You didn't say "I like McCain.", or "I don't like liberals or democrats."

The question before the American voters isn't "like" or "dislike". It is who would be a better President, and were the President to become incapacitated, which candidate is prepared/better suited to assume the Presidency?

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October 26, 2008 3:26:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well Island Dog, I have to agree with you on this whole heartedly.  I think that most conservatives don't put themselves out to get noticed. 

I think some of the intolerance comes from having to live for the past eight years under George Bush's policies.

That intolerance has been present in Hollywood long before the Bush years.  The fact that they are liberal comes with the territory.  It's in Hollywood’s nature to be liberal.  (I have family in that mess, so i am telling from exp.) 

Daddy Party and Democrats are the Mommy Party, and what with terrorism being as rampant as it is now, we really need the Daddy Party to protect us

This is because in the past, the Republican Party has fared better with foreign policy than our Democrat counterparts.  But this was during the cold war and now with the rise of terrorism we have entered into a new era of what we define what our enemy is.  The Democrat party has to prove that the world has changed and a new form for leadership is necessary and the Republican Party has to prove that it still good enough. 

The question before the American voters isn't "like" or "dislike". It is who would be a better President, and were the President to become incapacitated, which candidate is prepared/better suited to assume the Presidency?

I disagree with this statement, though it is valid.  I think the true question before the American people is who will perform better with our current economical state.  And I don't think that that question is based on the person but rather on the party.  Do we want a conservative outlook to fix the economics or a liberal outlook?

 

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October 26, 2008 3:33:38 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums



I am a conservative, I don’t like Obama, and I will never let anyone intimidate me because of that. 

I'm TheD2JBug , I can't stand Palin and the GOP hyprocacy. And I won't let anyone intimidate me because of some sort of 'conservative' internet persecution complex

You know , Island Dog , there's this great thing about the Internet. ( and freedom of speech by extension ) is all you need is a website , a blog , a Youtube account , an Internet fourm , you can say whatever you want. And also by extension , can the rest of us . Its funny how that is.

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October 26, 2008 3:53:46 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I disagree with this statement, though it is valid. I think the true question before the American people is who will perform better with our current economical state. And I don't think that that question is based on the person but rather on the party. Do we want a conservative outlook to fix the economics or a liberal outlook?

If it were just Economics, I'd choose Michael Bloomberg or Warren Buffet. What are McCain's credentials (or intellectual ability vs. Obama)?

It isn't, though. There's nothing "wrong" with conservative economics nor with conservatives. I don't know why they should be generally shy or not, and I seriously doubt whether conservatives are more prone to being stereotyped in Hollywood, or anywhere else.

Personally (and here's some anathema for you) I think what we're going to need is an FDR type program and the democrats can do it.

What's going to get us out of the mess is not an ideology. I've had a gutfull of GWB/Neocon ideology and that's that. I feel about McCain/Palin the same way I felt before Bush 2.0 got elected: Wrong man for the wrong job.

I think many people feel as I do (about GWB, etc.). If you just try to remain calm for a bit, look at how and what it took for this nation to get out of the Depression and with that foundation we stood off the Nazis and won the Cold War....even made it to the Moon.

You don't have to agree with me, but I don't see where my thinking is wrong.

This is because in the past, the Republican Party has fared better with foreign policy than our Democrat counterparts.

I'm afraid I really don't know where you live, but here on Earth compare JFK, Bill Clinton and George Bush (either) with respect to regard the world holds. Why is it that across the world, Obama is favored  4:1 over McCain ?

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October 26, 2008 4:27:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Why is it that across the world, Obama is favored 4:1 over McCain ?

Perhaps 'the world' thinks it can manipulate Obama?

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October 26, 2008 4:44:47 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Hankers,
Perhaps 'the world' thinks it can manipulate Obama?

Yeah, that's why Al Qaeda endorces McCain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26kristof.html?em

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October 26, 2008 5:02:47 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I think some of the intolerance comes from having to live for the past eight years under George Bush's policies.

Intolerance from liberals started long ago, it's not another thing you can blame Bush for.


Odd. You didn't say "I like McCain.", or "I don't like liberals or democrats."

I have made it very clear I don't like McCain that much either.  I voted for McCain today because he is the best choice at this point in time. 


I'm afraid I really don't know where you live, but here on Earth compare JFK, Bill Clinton and George Bush (either) with respect to regard the world holds. Why is it that across the world, Obama is favored  4:1 over McCain ?

Once again, what the hell do I care what the "world" thinks?  The "world" is full of lunatics, just look at how many of "the world" think that Bush was behind Sept. 11th.  The "world" is full of people who want America to become less powerful, and just another 3rd world country.  We don't care what they think!

Yeah, that's why Al Qaeda endorces McCain.

Heh, if you would like to compare endorsements and support from terrorists, dictators, and plain ole thugs, I think Obama would win in a landslide.

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October 26, 2008 5:15:22 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well cheer up there ID maybe one of these days you'll find your ideal right wing consevative who will head up the effort to rid our noble government of these thug terrorist liberals, just don't be surprised if turns out to be another Joe McCarthy.  It's always amazed me how Americans so easily forget what a lack of moderate attitudes means and how unlimited government power (Patriot Act) invariably turns out harmful to our country.

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October 26, 2008 5:18:55 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well, as a Canadian the American election really doesnt affect me one way or the other , but, with two wars  and an economy thats in the toilet the last thing that I would want would be a liberal government. DOnt get me wrong, I have nothing against OBama or McCain but when push comes to shove looking at the economic situation of the USA and their military endeavours, I would only say that I dont want an unexperienced commander in chief.  I hope the American people realize that Canada is also part of the effort in Afghanistan and Obama wants to negotiate free trade with us?  I think not. HOw much oil did the Americans want to lose?  How much medeicine and at the same time Obama has stated that he would like to increase taxes on businesses making over 250,000.00 a year. I wonder how many liberals that Obama will be able to find employment for after this happens. Because if you believe an employer is going to take an increase in taxes without cutting employees that iant gonna happen.  Already at this point there are companies ffrom the US looking around in Canada...not a good sign, people!  Anyways as I stated previosly it doesnt affect me one way or another and I am sure the American people will make hte proper decision for themselves...

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October 26, 2008 5:20:53 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Hankers,
Why is it that across the world, Obama is favored 4:1 over McCain ?

Perhaps 'the world' thinks it can manipulate Obama?

Yeah, Hankers....there all just sittin' there planning.

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October 26, 2008 5:22:16 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

We don't care what they think!

That is exactly wrong.

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October 26, 2008 5:27:39 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

What I'd like to know is if they're winning as they claim, why are they so angry? It is true that Bush's last 4 years were awful, but an Obama administration would be a disaster for our country. the Democrats aren't even trying to hide what they intend to do to us. From Obama's income redistribution and insane taxation, to Barney Franks call to gut our military in a time of war, to Joe Biden's gaurantee of an international crisis within the first six months.  If the Democrats do win, its grow up time for them. They will be in charge of everything and they will not be able to blame anyone but themselves.

 

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October 26, 2008 5:32:02 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Well cheer up there ID maybe one of these days you'll find your ideal right wing consevative who will head up the effort to rid our noble government of these thug terrorist liberals, just don't be surprised if turns out to be another Joe McCarthy. It's always amazed how Americans so easily forget what a lack of moderate attitudes means and how unlimited government power (Patriot Act) invariably turns out harmful to our country.

Well, BDBF and I agree on something. Bush and the Neocons hve done more to harm American democracy than any other "team" on record. Cheney is perhaps the single most dangerous man who's ever sat in the Vice-Presidency.

How could the sheep in Congress let them destroy Habeas Corpus? For fear of being called unpatriotic by the Bushoid superpatriots. Well, guess what turned out in the end? No WMD's,  no Al Qaida under every stone. Not everyone not supporting us was against us. No "Mission Accomplished". Few friends in the world. An economy in collapse with the hugest deficit ever. Oh yeah, and a "War time President". Who did he make war on, us or them?

Yup. We need more of that.

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October 26, 2008 5:35:11 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Wow, the Dailykos talking points are all over this thread today.

How could the sheep in Congress let them destroy Habeas Corpus?

Habeas Corpus was only "destroyed" for foreign terrorists which have no rights under our Constitution anyways. 

If you are so concerned about the economy and deficit, then why in the world would you support 0bama?

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October 26, 2008 6:09:36 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

If you are so concerned about the economy and deficit, then why in the world would you support 0bama?

Huh, this is a tough one ID.  It couldn't be that the Republicans have run 8 straight years of budget deficits(it's been eight year's of Bush's budget). 

Greenspan and the Republicans (Newt Gingrich) put on relentless pressure on Clinton to balance the budget.  Clinton and the Democrats did with some Republican support (the booming late nineties economy helped the most with large increases in tax revenues). 

GWB and company said tax cuts for the rich and deficit spending was his economic plan.  What's worse is that now that we are in a recession the government deficit will grow more.  Cutting government spending now will mean a longer and deeper recession.  So government credit card spending (tax payer IOUs by the trillions) here we go. 

Furthermore GWB and the Replicans wanted to privatize Social Security and turn it over to Wall Street.  Turn Social Security over to Wall Street as these anti "big goverment" right wingers want and that fund will be bankrupted within a few years and of course the private sector execs who have had there hands on it will be members of the ultra-rich with seven and eight figure annual salaries, bonuses, perqs and other executive "compensation" items.

What's more Wars Are Expensive.  So, since the war in Iraq (our King George's war) was so unneccessary and unjustified this has created at least another Trillion dollars in federal governement spending.  Please keep in mind these combat Vets have earned the right to claim the same benefits that all American combat veterans have enjoyed since WWII.  So, now the government will be spending more tax dollars five years from now, ten years from now and twenty years from now than they would have to spend without the Iraq war to cover VA benefits and interest payments on the debt from this war.

 

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October 26, 2008 6:12:38 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

It couldn't be that the Republicans have run 8 straight years of budget deficits(it's been eight year's of Bush's budget).

No arguement there, but how is billions of more social spending and government healthcare going to help that?  Please don't say "taxing the rich" because we already know that won't make a dent in it.

Furthermore GWB and the Replicans wanted to privatize Social Security and turn it over to Wall Street.  Turn Social Security over to Wall Street as these anti "big goverment" right wingers want and that fund will be bankrupted within a few years and of course the private sector execs who have had there hands on it will be members of the ultra-rich with seven and eight figure annual salaries, bonuses, perqs and other executive "compensation" items.

Please read my other article on how democrats want the government to take over your 401K.


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October 26, 2008 6:46:56 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Yeah, Hankers....there all just sittin' there planning.

It would be naive to think not.

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October 26, 2008 6:52:05 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Habeas Corpus was only "destroyed" for foreign terrorists which have no rights under our Constitution anyways.

LOL...and anyone they damn well feel like calling one! You just don't realize I.D. that if Homeland Security decided to arrest you (and I know you're kosher) they could "render" you without anyone being the wiser and Habeas Corpus wouldn't help you citizen or not.

If you are so concerned about the economy and deficit, then why in the world would you support 0bama?

Because his plan is sounder...and what we'll end up needing before it's all over is an FDR like plan. BDBF put the rest of the answer here while I had some din-din...sorry you weren't around, guys...it was delish!.

Huh, this is a tough one ID. It couldn't be that the Republicans have run 8 straight years of budget deficits(it's been eight year's of Bush's budget).

Greenspan and the Republicans (Newt Gingrich) put on relentless pressure on Clinton to balance the budget. Clinton and the Democrats did with some Republican support (the booming late nineties economy helped the most with large increases in tax revenues).

GWB and company said tax cuts for the rich and deficit spending was his economic plan. What's worse is that now that we are in a recession the government deficit will grow more. Cutting government spending now will mean a longer and deeper recession. So government credit card spending (tax payer IOUs by the trillions) here we go.

Furthermore GWB and the Replicans wanted to privatize Social Security and turn it over to Wall Street. Turn Social Security over to Wall Street as these anti "big goverment" right wingers want and that fund will be bankrupted within a few years and of course the private sector execs who have had there hands on it will be members of the ultra-rich with seven and eight figure annual salaries, bonuses, perqs and other executive "compensation" items.

What's more Wars Are Expensive. So, since the war in Iraq (our King George's war) was so unneccessary and unjustified this has created at least another Trillion dollars in federal governement spending. Please keep in mind these combat Vets have earned the right to claim the same benefits that all American combat veterans have enjoyed since WWII. So, now the government will be spending more tax dollars five years from now, ten years from now and twenty years from now than they would have to spend without the Iraq war to cover VA benefits and interest payments on the debt from this war.

Excellent answer, BDBF.

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October 26, 2008 7:11:57 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Actually I do not like anyone at all in politics at all! You can put them all on a boat and take it out and sink it for me please. Besure there are no life saving devices aboard or for that matter chain them all to the deck of the ship first.

As for Obama or McCain - I say I will vote for McCain not Obama. Mainly because Obama is a bad story teller! To Put It Lightly!!!

But from what I hear in certain circles - there is no one that will make any difference at all in the white house. Whoever and whatever will be under the control of things not to be spoken of here. Thus saying who cares who is elected. They will do as they are told no matter what we think or do to get whatever and whoever in there.

Oh one more thing - the price of oil is only a scam at this point to fool the people into thinking things are gona get better. Wrong again - it is a plan to do something very different completely. In short what I can say is that it will force someones hand to be seen by the world here shortly we figure. Thus even after the election a crisis is planned to end the Bush administration and start whatever new administration is to come. Which again will not matter due to they are gona do as it calls them to do.

We call it total control! And in short it is!!! Thus things will change we hope for what is the future the way it is suppose to be. Not as you would want it to be. So like I said whatever they say or do will not matter at all... how they act either for that matter at this point also.

All that really matters is this here - money can not buy you happiness and guess what? It won't buy what others want either... They will soon find that all the money they where making on that oil is fizzled because they invested or on the other hand owed it to someone who wants it back right now - not later! NOW

Here is a hint who I have in mind [ IRAN! ]

good day!

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October 26, 2008 7:44:11 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Because his plan is sounder...and what we'll end up needing before it's all over is an FDR like plan. BDBF put the rest of the answer here while I had some din-din...sorry you weren't around, guys...it was delish!.

Huh? Do you know how badly his plan will ruin us? He wants to tax small businesses that make 250k+ a year. Just incase you don't know a company that makes 250k a year isn't very big at all and the last thing they really need is to be taxed even higher especially with todays economy. He is going to effectivly kill small businesses doing that. And don't even go there with FDR, things like welfare are so unconstitutional it's depressing.

With that being said, if anyone here expects either McCain or Obama to lower taxes you are truly fooled. They both will raise them, it really comes down to who is going to do the least amount of damage.

The fact that Obama won't even have top security clearance in government agencies such as the FBI if elected President pretty much sums up his true affiliation with people like William Ayers. A President that wont even have access to high level activites in the CIA/FBI, yeah.. sounds great.

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October 26, 2008 8:01:49 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better
job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody
is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the
bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good
people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if
it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt
away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of
millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be
allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give
the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four pointy headed
elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit
some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don't
have to hide from us over there, when they come over here I don't want
to have any guns in the house to fight them off with.

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry
whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a
gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of
gas at 15% isn't.

Makes ya wonder why anyone would EVER vote Republican, now doesn't it?

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October 26, 2008 8:18:36 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Ok , just to clarify the tax issue, Obama's tax plan will only bring the tax rates back to what they were under Clinton, And we all know what a mess the enonomy and budgets were under Clinton.

LOL at republican fear-mongering

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October 26, 2008 8:38:19 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Did anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight?  A very interesting story as to what brought down Wall St. - Credit Default Swaps.  Legalized gambling ushered in with Greenspan's backing.  A Commodities deregulation bill that passed with a unanimous Senate vote in the last Congress of 2000 is behind what made this form of legalized gambling possible. 

This bill even went so far as to prohibit state and local statutes from enforcing any criminal prosecutions based on laws that have existed on the books for one hundred years with respect to the financial derivatives made possible by this legislation.  One Hedge Fund manager who was smart enough to take advantage of this market obscenity made $3.7 Billion dollars in salary this year alone.  The problem is so huge that no one in government or the private sector as any idea of how large the financial mess will grow from these derivitives.  The total size of this market is unknown but is estimated as many trillions of dollars.  The players were big banks, Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers and AIG, and hedge fund managers.

My guess is this ugly legislation that was passed unanimously by Congress and backed by Greenspan was written by Wall St. insiders and lobbyists.  If all you profess such great concern over the direction our Government has taken then know the true problem.  It is directly the bad government habit of de-regulation, no enforcement on big business and allowing big business to write and lobby for legislation.  Furthermore, our Congress can not learn to say no to their sources of political donations.  The wealthy show up with the big bucks and they buy the Legislation they want.

Why is it that Corporations which are little more than a legal construct instituted for the sole purpose of making profits have more access to Government and have more say in legislation than do the people.  And, also please notice who is paying the price for this horrible financial debacle the American taxpayer. 

Is it time to levy a special tax on those who benifited from profits at the rate of 30 to 40 times on the dollar risked on these derivatives?  Is it time to put an end to big business writing Legislation, lobbying for it and then screwing the taxpayer when the bubble bursts?  Furthermore is it time to institute some real accountability on the Congress, Judiciary and Executive branches?

Put an end to lobbying, put an end to PACS and put an end to large sized donations to political parties.

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October 26, 2008 8:51:15 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Hey DPCloud why do you have to portray voting Democratic in such a distorted way?  Are you sure your reasons for voting Republican aren't equally as distorted?

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