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I'm always going to do what I want to do

By Posted May 14, 2008 22:25:46
About once a month someone, somewhere, will comment on something I've written saying how "A CEO shouldn't act so unprofessionally in public". Over the years, I've gotten that message hundreds of times along with predictions of demise for my company due to my "public" behavior.

Now, I think the case could be made that we live in a different time. The new age of companies have executives who hang out on forums and mix it up with people. But I'm not going to make that argument because, ultimately, it doesn't matter. I would still do what I do no matter what.

My personal and professional objectives have always been the same: I want to do what I want to do.

That is my top priority. Freedom.

Freedom has consequences. I am certain, beyond a doubt, that my public postings on various topics over the years has alienated some percentage of users who have encountered what I written to the point that they have decided to not purchase products and services from my company. I'm okay with it. It's a price I'm willing to pay to be able to do what I want.

Here are some examples:

This week, Neowin.net publicly revealed its affiliation with Stardock. Stardock owns 40% of Neowin.net. It doesn't really affect the way the site is run. I was already on Neowin's staff as a volunteer long before I got Stardock involved with it. I just love the site and its community. And I wanted to help so we put together a new company to do just that and it's worked out great.

As an active user on Neowin, there are some people who don't like me. There have been many arguments as to why news items that get posted about Stardock get trolled. Here is one user's explanation:

The problem with this whole thing is that the staff here assumes most people have a problem with Brad due to his Stardock affiliation, but that's not the case at all. People just flat out don't like him. It has nothing to do with the companies he owns or doesn't own. It comes down to the way he treats members here.

Now, users on Stardock sites who read my posts know how I "treat" people. It's not that I treat people badly. I'm just not very sympathetic to people who incessantly complain about every little thing. I particularly have little patience for people whose idea of "free speech" is to flame some person, product, or company and then be taken aback when that person or representative of that product or company defends themselves.

A user on WinCustomize.com wrote this today:

You guys have GREAT products (I am paying for virtually everything you make these days), but Brad tends to do all the PR himself, via grass roots article posts on sites like Neowin.net, etc. Their limited effectiveness contributes to the pervading sense that Stardock will never rise above a niche player, but the REALLY big issue here is that Brad is doing the grass roots posts AND then engages in these childish "my tiny little software company is bigger than your even tinier little software company" flame threads. Having the same person covering both of these communication avenues really really makes both the company and its executive management look very small and unfortunately rather petty.

I totally agree with most of what he said. Having the CEO of a company personally slogging it out on forums makes Stardock look small. He's totally incorrect if he thinks this is some for of PR. I don't do PR. Our PR team does PR. Hanging out on forums talking about games or bee keeping or skinning is not PR. I might also quibble that a company that makes $20 million a year is not a "tiny little software company" but that's just me.

In fact, I think he speaks great truth. My public postings and such do give the impression that Stardock is really small. I imagine the typical user on Neowin who reads my posts would be shocked to know that Stardock is a major game developer and PC game publisher. Or that millions of PCs this year will ship with our software on them. Or that our technology powers 911 call centers across the country. And so on simply because they assume that a "real company" wouldn't have their CEO slogging it out on some web forum with some user about Windows device drivers or whatever.

But the main point he's trying to make is totally correct. The fact that the CEO of Stardock is out on forums talking to users or even arguing with them or responding to some flame from some piddly quasi-competing "skinning" company does impact the perception of Stardock. However, I don't care. Or more accurately, I don't care enough to change because I value being able to say and do what I want more than I care about people's perceptions.

Stardock isn't a public company. It's not investor run. It doesn't even have investors. It's my company. It's a company with around 60 people these days that I can proudly say has not had any voluntary turn over in over 2 years. How many other software or game companies of that size can make that claim? And the reason for that is that my public attitude is my private attitude too -- we're going to do what we want to do. Not just me but the people there too.

When Steve, Marcel, and I formed Neowin LLC, my suggestion to them was pretty straight forward: Do what you want to do. In the 3 years since we got together, there hasn't been a single time I've tried to veto anything they wanted to do. In fact, there's not be a single time we've even disagreed on a Neowin idea.

Sure, there's a cost to doing what you want to do. I have gotten plenty of ribbing that we're working on a TURN-BASED fantasy strategy game instead of making it an RTS. But I want to make a turn-based fantasy strategy game. It won't sell as well as an RTS would but so what? What good is more money if you can't do what you want to do?

I'm 36. I've got a beautiful wife. 3 wonderful children. Plus I've got the toys. The Porsche 911 Turbo, the boat, the lake cottage, the big house, etc. And I get to work every day with people who I really like. Not just professionally but on a personal level. So I've already got what I want personally. So freedom to do what I want matters a lot to me.

Every day at Stardock is FUN. Even during crunch-time it's FUN. And why is it fun? Because every day we do what we want to do.

And part of doing what you want to do is being able to show some obnoxious customer the door or not hiding the fact that you're an expert in some area when discussing a topic on some web forum.

One last example from Neowin:

No matter how much money Stardock has given Neowin, no matter how much better services Neowin has been able to provide it's members as a result of this (which I highly respect Stardock for leaving NEowin virtually untouched, don't get me wrong), it will never, ever, justify an Admin acting with a "better than thou" or a "know it all" attitude towards its members.

Lest you think that their interpretations are wrong I'll say it myself. Yes, I do know better than most people on the topics I participate in. The typical loud-mouth posting on a web forum is a cretin. And I am willing to say, on the record, that yes, I do know more. On Neowin, when i get into debates on OS technology or whatever then yea, I do know what I'm talking about and most of the time, the person ranting is a bloody loon. And yes, I will act as "better than thou" attitude if I want to simply on the principle that I'm going to do what I want to do. It has nothing to do with being an admin. Any user who thinks that the forum postings of any individual, even a CEO, are going to have a noticeable effect on sales or traffic has no idea what they're talking about. I've been running on-line communities since I was a teenager (20 years now), so I think I can be a "know it all" on that factoid. smile.gif">

But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether I'm justified or not because I'm going to do what I want to do. And so far, it's worked out pretty well for both me, my family, my coworkers, and our customers.
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May 14, 2008 22:41:16
I for one have always loved your involvement at wincustomize and such, and while I'm not active in the community anymore I still lurk around now and then. And I think it's great that a CEO kind of puts himself on ground level, so to speak. You always just seemed like another person to me, and not an a developer/employee/ceo/or whatever trying to mingle. Hell, I didn't even know your position for the longest time back in the day, thought you were just a moderator. And well, it was a really cool thing to see the CEO of the company who's software your using to make skins and such comment and enjoy your work. And hey, there really wouldn't be much point in success if you couldn't do what you wanted.
May 14, 2008 22:53:37
good for you brother.......your a selfmade man, and that just in itself screams nothing but respect........*lights another candle and waves it around for frogboy*
May 14, 2008 22:57:26
....only one suggestion Brad.....i think you need customizing......your hairstyle needs to be more wolfenated.........   
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May 14, 2008 23:14:06
And part of doing what you want to do is being able to show some obnoxious customer the door


Amen.Been there done that and it felt so good...didnt impact my woodworking busines negatively at all...just meant I moved on to a better customer sooner.  
May 14, 2008 23:44:50
I'll be more concerned about Stardock when you stop posting and being an arrogant ass.    Because, you are one of the most arrogant persons I've ever met.  And you can be stubborn; let's not forget stubborn.

But . . you can back it up . . and I like you.  I respect what you have done and the people you have done it with. I respect that you give people the opportunity to succeed with you.  An d you let people have a voice (up the point of disrespect [and even then you'll let people go farther than most would]).

Are you a jerk?  Yeah.  But I'd still be honored to call you a friend.

Have fun doing what you do.  
May 15, 2008 00:33:11
I understand completely Brad. I founded my company and have owned it for 26 yrs. Each and every day I/we get to do what we want. Some like it some don't. I started it to do what I wanted to do and that expanded into a few others. So...the ones that don't...it wasn't intended for them anyway. It's a good post, it's just the way it is. RAD
May 15, 2008 00:39:17
Ok i really need to stop taking "one last look" at the forums before bed. That's always when I find these long posts.

I haven't registered over on Neowin but I have been following that thread.

One of the comments I was kind of amused by was:

I like the idea that Stardocks take theme'ing (?) to a new level. They seem to take major strides in enhancing the desktop experience. I, like many other people, tried Stardocks many many times. Stardocks seems to break my desktop on many occasions. By rights, I believe I have the right to state my experience on that. Don't expect me to say nice things about it when it infact does the opposite. I think you should not take that as "trolling" or anything against you. I think in the past you probably take it too personally and defend Stardock with your iron-fist (lol). I think that is why many people had a run-in with you.


[Referring to the bold part]

Obviously you are arrogant and all the other things you have stated you are.

But I think if they took the time to sift through some of your posts one thing people would realize you aren't is a person willing to defend something with flaws just because you own the company it comes from.

How many other public forums can you go to and see the company owner pointing out things that are wrong with products and websites his company has created?

They just need to realize the difference between defending against unwarranted/unnecessary posts and posts that are actually criticism of a real problem.


May 15, 2008 00:42:55
Brad, I find you no more arrogant than other CEO's - Steve Jobs comes to mind here - but it's not my perception of you that's important, but rather how your company performs as a whole.

There may be some who rant about not buying Stardock products based on their opinion of you personally, but they're in the minority because generally people will rate and buy products based on performance/reliability/after sales service, not who the CEO is.

Besides, given the opportunity,freedom and circumstance, everyone does/says what they want to anyhow... it's a part of what we call being human, and that makes you different how?

May 15, 2008 00:57:13
Steve Jobs is beyond the realm of oridinary arrogance. So much so he is able to proliferate it through apple's products, like a cult... all I'm is that if Apple starts to make drinks, you won't catch me having any.
May 15, 2008 00:58:26
zounds! no edit >< ... *ordinary (sorry for spam)
May 15, 2008 01:08:04
Zubaz made me rofl.

PS Brad, thanks for taking my "advice" post in the other thread in the spirit it was intended.   
May 15, 2008 01:44:15
Anyone who has problems with you Brad has a problem with JEALOUSY. You've done a fine job and you deserve all you have. I don't always agree with everything that happens here but I gotta give you the props. I love this software and I love this site.
May 15, 2008 03:30:59
I'd like to see more CEO act like you...
Enjoy debate with their customers on forums or IRC or whatever about everything and not only their products.
Hosting competitor like Samurize (ok little one    ) http://www.samurize.com/
And helping others website just cause you wanted to do it.

When i saw this and that you and most of your staff been on forums and IRC talking like everybody, about everything; i thought "WOW that's awesome i'd like every company would be like that"

You and Stardock take care of customers' needs
Freedom allow you also to create some piece of softs/games that some others Societies won't even have the idea to create by fear of the fail.

I truly think SD is a great company and you are a great man.
May 15, 2008 04:51:53
Hmmmm....since when in life has doing the things you want to so...and being successful at it make you arrogant? As I've said before...I understand the crap you have to deal with from some people whether they are little dweebs still sitting at home sponging off mom and dad or still sitting in a garage thinking they are legends in their own minds. Defending yourself when attacked by people who think they know something is by no means arrogant.

Honestly Bard...I understand and appreciate your frustration...but considering what you've accomplished at your age and in the time you have...you don't need to explain anything to anyone. And if people can't deal with your success...sucks to be them!

Enjoy the fruits of your labors, life and your family...don't bother with negative people...its a waste of time and time is something we all have in short supply. Next time you feel the need to write about detractors of your success or your supposed arrogance...grab the kids and go do something fun with them. Its time much better spent. The others aren't going anywhere...literally.
May 15, 2008 06:35:43
Any chance that getting the forums running smoother is on your list of things you want to do?     

Feeling trapped is no fun. I respect your attitude towards personal freedom completely.
May 15, 2008 06:54:07
Brad, it's your right to say whatever the hell you want. Not only because of who you are or your position/title.......

I have much respect for you and your 'little' $20 million/year company ($20 mil....you suck!!!  ).....

Keep it up, Brad. My suggestion to all those who don't like what you have to say: DON'T READ IT!

Good job!!!   (and where the hell are the new smilies?)
May 15, 2008 08:01:24
Hehe, in a lot of ways, we're the same, except I don't have that kind of money.  If I did, I'd be worse than I am.    So go for it and piss on what others think.  
May 15, 2008 08:22:46

It's because I love you
Not because were far apart
It's because I love you
And because your near my heart

It's because I miss you
Oh how long it seems to be
It's because I miss you
Thoughts of you come back to me

 

Once we walked together
From the fields up to the door
Promised love forever
I remember that day still

It's because I love you
I'll come home to you one day
It's because I love you
In my thoughts you'll always stay

Ooh, Do what you wanna do,
be what you wanna be yeah

"Because I love you" by Masters Apprentices

May 15, 2008 08:25:37

Jafo and formatting just don't get on.....dang this copy/paste....

[and the typos ain't mine]

May 15, 2008 08:36:41
I know exactly how you feel.

Just the other day, while flying to Europe, my Private jet had engine failure. I did manage to find other avenues and was forced to take a Charter the rest of the way.
Can you believe, I acually had to open my own bottle of wine? Now I know how the little people feel.
Terrible, I say. Just terrible.
May 15, 2008 09:31:14
Then u woke up eh Z?   
May 15, 2008 10:15:54
Any chance that getting the forums running smoother is on your list of things you want to do?


That would be nice...I'm forever stuck in forum limbo waiting for it to load.
May 15, 2008 10:34:42
I'm forever stuck in forum limbo waiting for it to load.


me too.
May 15, 2008 10:52:55
Nice read Brad just one thing. I don't see why you need to continue to explain yourself?

We all make judgments rather quickly but, anyone with a level of maturity is going to dig a little deeper before coming to a conclusion on who someone really is and what they know.

Admittedly my initial opinion was that this guys' really full of himself but, after reading some of your articles and older posts that opinion changed. Now I view you as a confident, articulate and knowledgeable guy who's really full of himself!

May 15, 2008 14:41:53
All I wanna know is....will you adopt me? I'm a great cook...good with kids...and I make a mean dock!
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