Ebay, bite me, you racist company

Response to an email identified as coming from Paypal

By jesseledesma Posted October 18, 2006 20:35:33

Ever since all this conflict with muslins and mexican immigrants started I have been concerned about the possible back lash from govenment entities and private companies against people of race.

About a week ago I recieved an email from some one claiming to work for PAYPAL. The emial is listed here after my respnse.

I am about as non-consequential as you can get. The american government has no case against me and no reason to fear me.

The email claims they are taking the action they are taking because of their cooperation with American federal govenment. Since I know I am of no consequence to any one, the only reason I can see for this email is my spanish last name.

Let me tell you I have very little patience for biggots and racist. Thats why I wrote the respnse I did to the email that was left as a contact email.

I post it here as a reminder of how easy it is to judge people just on superficial basis such as name and birth place.

MY RESPONSE
This is a response to an email that stated in its content that my account with your company is frozen because of cooperation with the American federal government.

I cannot see any reason why the American governemt would have any problem with me.

The only reason I can see that adminsitrators and/or staff of Paypal and Ebay may have trouble with me may be my spanish last name.

This is my response to your request for information to verify my identity.

Keep your racist and biggoted attitudes to your self. I neither need paypal nor Ebay.

I not will spend any of my money at comapnies that hold such racist attitudes.

EMAIL IN QUESTION

Dear jesus lopez,

PayPal as a regulated financial services company is required under law
to assess its customers against certain lists of individuals and
entities which have had sanctions imposed against them. PayPal as a
financial institution is required to comply with these regulations in
multiple jurisdictions where we do business.

Where a potential name match is identified, PayPal's policy is to lock
the account and request further identifying documentation. The decision
to lock your account has been taken solely by PayPal in line with its
compliance policy in regards to the legislation covering financial
sanctions

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, however, in order to
regain access to your account, please follow these instructions and
provide the requested documentation within the next seven (7) days:

1. Provide a copy of a government-issued photograph identification
(i.e. passport, driver's license) that provides date of birth; AND
2. Provide a copy of a utility bill verifying your address; AND
3. Include your email address on all copies; AND
4. Fax the information Attention: Compliance to +303-395-2802; OR
5. Mail the documents to the following address:

PayPal Inc, Attention: Compliance
P.O. Box 45950
Omaha, NE 68145
United States

PayPal currently does not accept scanned documents. Reply to this e-mail
with all questions at BoEappeal@paypal.com.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

Sincerely,
Michael
PayPal Compliance Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

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The email did come from paypal. In addition, paypal made the decision they claim to freeze my account based on information they have revieved from the federal governemt concerning the name jesus lopez.

Let me make MYSELF prefectly clear. If we don't see proof of this, we're going to all assume it is a Phishing Scam, because that is what these always turn out to be.

If Paypal really is turning off the accounts of innocent Americans, then maybe we need to know. In which case, produce some hard evidence (scan the letter, record phone calls to PayPal's HQ about this, etc)..

Now as far as acconts getting locked, that can happen for a variety of reasons. Myself, my Paypal Debit card quit working one day out of the blue. I called them up, and it turns out the fraud department was concerned about recent activity. I explained to them that I was using the card almost exclusively to earn the 1.5% cashback bonus (now 1% but my account is grandfathered to the higher rate). The rep verified some of the actual purchases I made, read off what the amount was and I told her that those were indeed charges I'd made. How did she identify me as ME? Caller ID, as I was calling from the phone associated with the account, and asking LAST 4 digits of my social. Foolproof? No.. But no system really is currently.

I doubt seriously that the kind of information you "claim" is required to be sent is true. I thought as everyone else that perhaps you were falling victim for a phishing scam. NOW I believe that you are simply intentionaly perpetuating this kind of urban legend yourself for some gain (vendette against paypal)?

I don't see any reason to be an a**hole, lotherius. I was sharper than I should have been above, myself. The Denied Persons list is a fact, both in the US, Canada, the EU, and elsewhere. Paypal does indeed have to hold to it, and they have to freeze accounts if you find yourself on it.

Another example. Someone above said that PayPal is in California, but they neglected to find out that the operating center is still in Omaha. The corp headquarters is in California. The phone number traces to Global Crossing, a corporate communications and network company, which would make sense for a fax number, I guess. The P.O. Box is the one on other paypal stuff I find around the Internet.

So, while as I say above this could be a political thing to annoy people, or a scam, there's no reason to be sh**ty to the poster. No one is asking to mail money to Nigeria, and the letter isn't asking for information to be emailed anywhere, nor is it asking for a password, etc., etc.

This has become a feeding frenzy for people to make themselves feel smart, I think. On second thought, don't shut the hell up, and I was wrong to tell you to. Just make sure you get mad at the right people, if there is really anything to be mad about at all.

The Government is racist. They found out I was an alien but they thought that meant illegal alien - idiots.
What we need is equality for Vulcans

hehehe

Internet Porn and Child Porn Site ARE the reason for it. Assuming the email is genuine and not an attempt to gain your identity.

I posted an article awhile back that Paypal are joining forces with the banks and policing authorities to prevent child porn on the net being accessed by accounts such as paypal and others. Refer to the last couple paragraph in the article.

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Your name (being a fairly common name) is probably in the list of certain disgusting characters that partake on websites that display porn - it does not even have to be child porn just porn - reason enough to lose the facility.

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Baker...I still say it's bullshit.

I'll bet my left testicle a mouse-over of the email link will show some quaint obscure redirection just as all those emails from YOUR BANK do.

All this just propagates hysteria and supposition on BOTH sides....those who think it's bullshit..and those who think Ebay is getting a leg over the KKK.

I'll still be betting on 'scam'....

I dunno, I'm trying to figure out how they'd really gain access to your identity though, Jafo. If that's paypal's address, and that's paypal's fax number, then I'd have a hard time getting my head around how it is a scam.

This page seems to relate the same kind of statement down at the bottom. I found a complaint on Ebay's forums from someone in Germany who got the same treatment because they were on the Bank of England's list.

It seems like if it were a scam we'd be finding it a lot more, too. What would be the profit in emailing just a few people when you could mass-mail it to a million a day? It just doesn't have the same smell as a scam, imho.

Internet Porn and Child Porn Site ARE the reason for it

Now that's dumb. This has to do with illegal money laundering and anti-terrorist legislation, not child porn. Did you bother to read any of the conversation here before running off at the mouth?

Obviously not.

Not sure about the fax # but the PO Box is correct.

From here:

What is PayPal's customer service support for Business and Premier Accounts?

Business and Premier account holders have access to premium customer service from our Business and Premier account specialists. Our team is specifically trained to accommodate the needs of premium account members. There are a number of ways to contact specialists:

* Click the Help link at the top right of the page, then click Contact Us, and click Customer Service Center in the Help by Phone section

* Log in to your account and access the online contact form

* By postal service to: PayPal, P.O. Box 45950, Omaha, NE 68145

I do suggest contacting Paypal directly, and confirming the email and fax

I'll bet my left testicle a mouse-over of the email link will show some quaint obscure redirection just as all those emails from YOUR BANK do.

For sure, not all links contained in emails lead to the displayed address. My (heavily into music) nephew got an email with a link supposedly to a major guitar manufacturers site, but when he clicked on it he was taken to a porn site advertising videos with musical titles. According to Keiron, quite a few of his musically inclined friends have also been targetted with this kind of thing, so one would imagine false links are common practice among scammers, advertisers, etc.

I wouldn't say for sure this Paypal thing is a scam, given the various new laws that have been implemented, but I would advise those who receive such emails to contact the company on a known phone number or address with any concerns, rather than reply to emails whose origin cannot be 100% determined.

Even if this isn't a scam (and it really looks like one) I don't see why its racist ?! If the federal government has decided to grab the assets of a criminal it shouldnt be hard to prove that you are not the same person.
Although that is why this stinks of phishing as Paypal would need to associate you with the other Jesus, by address or bank account, the federal government can't just pick a criminals name and grab anything from everyone with the same name, the cops would have been at the door first, ITS A SCAM ignore it ! or go to your Paypal account and ask them, and stop being paranoid, unless you keep your life savings in paypal what do you have to worry about ?

Yes I did!

Did you read the article I posted? IT is a valid reason for the post I made - stop being a twat.

Yes I did! You show your ignorance by saying it is dumb!

Did you read the article I posted?

IT is a valid reason for the post I made . I suggest you stop running off at the mouth and read it yourself.

you do realize a new reply doesn't 'edit' your old reply?

yes I am aware of that thanks Bichur, I only made on reply, which I wrote then changed midway and posted, so I do not know how this happened but it did, so it is there.

Perhaps it is as well, because it is what I 1st intended replying before I decided to change it and be calmer in my reply. I initially rose to her flag waving then decided against it and changed it then pressed submit, what happened do not know. It is not important anyway.

just checking

thanks bichur

pc dummy strikes again hahaha! who knows how we do these things but we d.

stop being a twat.

Way to take the high road.

I am willing to bet that the email didn't even come from PayPal and you've just been scammed into providing verification of your email address to spammers. You've probably been suckered.

My feeling as well. The first indication is that there is no last name or signature in the closing of your email. You need to get ahold of PayPal and verify the email was acctually sent by them.

Where racism is concerned: As you know, this country has quite a problem with foreign peoples living unlawfully on US soil. If you are an illegal alien living in the US, the US has all the right to investigate/prosecute and/or deport you within constraints of US law. This is actually anti-descrimination in that it protects descrimination of US citizens from losing benefits otherwise given to unlawful residents. But in any event, it's not racism.

Its more likely a scam. If not, and you are a US citizen, please comply like the rest of us if you want to use PayPal services. If you are in fact an illegal alien, then get yourself either nationalized or a green card. If you cannot do this, I for one would be very happy to see you deported; tax money well spent.

Way to take the high road.

did you bother to read the rest before jumping on those keys?

I only made on reply, which I wrote then changed midway and posted, so I do not know how this happened but it did, so it is there.

it is what I 1st intended replying before I decided to change it and be calmer in my reply. I initially rose to her flag waving then decided against it and changed it then pressed submit,

Got to love those Americans and their 'illegal aliens'. If any of us folks with pointed ears lived their we'd be completely f*****...

Not if you comply with the current immigration process.

How many countries can you just walk into, live, work, and disrupt that nations tax base, welfare system, employment systems and what-have-you without penalty?

How many countries can you just walk into, live, work, and disrupt that nations tax base, welfare system, employment systems and what-have-you without penalty?

Welcome to the UK

Hmmm, how could someone who's interests are meditation, super strings and conformal field theory possibly find peace and quiet in such a violent country as the US anyway. Guess I'll just find an isolated desert somewhere...

Guess I'll just find an isolated desert somewhere...

Sit on the moon and watch....apparently no one has been there!

Did you bother to read any of the conversation here before running off at the mouth?

For your information I read the entire thing.

Did you read the link to the article I mentioned - No? Then do so - it applies to the fact that PAYPAL does not allow people who frequent CHILD PORN SITES and PORN SITES to use their facilites any longer!

IT APPLIES TO THE SUBJECT MATTER!

How appropriate is it for a Super Wizop to spew his/her opinion about any country on this forum?